Proposition 8. (2 Viewers)

[Iron]

lol that sounds hopeless.
Revision? Amendment? Like, there was a pre-existing, fundamental right to gay marriage?
Hope the SC wont grant certiorari. I fear that's what these guys are after. Implied right to privacy (found in Roe etc) probably makes gay marriage inevitable once it gets thee

 

[Tulipa]

lol that sounds hopeless.
Revision? Amendment? Like, there was a pre-existing, fundamental right to gay marriage?
Hope the SC wont grant certiorari. I fear that's what these guys are after. Implied right to privacy (found in Roe etc) probably makes gay marriage inevitable once it gets thee

That's what was stated in May when it was legalised:

In May 2008, the California Supreme Court ruled that the statute enacted by Proposition 22 and other statutes that limit marriage to a relationship between a man and a woman violated the equal protection clause of the California Constitution. It also held that individuals of the same sex have the right to marry under the California Constitution.

From: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/analysis/prop8-analysis.htm

I'd say it sounds more like a revision than an amendment but it's semantics in the end. So is the whole only hetero's can marry thing though

 

[Iron]

lol good fun. Exciting times!

 

[katie tully]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=c6L95GnsZqY

 

[jb_nc]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=c6L95GnsZqY

does NSW health have unlimited internet or somethign

 

[katie tully]

does NSW health have unlimited internet or somethign

yes

but also i finished work at 1pm so im on my own time

 

[Tulipa]

This is the best thing I've heard about the whole debacle. I don't care if people consider it corny, I agree with it 100%

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HpTBF6EfxY

 

[Iron]

lol what a phoney.

The family needs to be strengthened
Not redefined.

 

[nikolas]

This is the best thing I've heard about the whole debacle. I don't care if people consider it corny, I agree with it 100%

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HpTBF6EfxY

QFT amen brother

 

[Iron]

Prop 8: The Musical

Youtube. Impressive cast of Hollywood elites, very lol.

 

[impervious182]

Iron has completely dominated this thread, almost single-handedly, even though he had exams on.

The vote was legal, the result valid. What's the problem?

 

[nikolas]

Prop 8: The Musical

Youtube. Impressive cast of Hollywood elites, very lol.

haha nice find

 

[Trefoil]

Iron has completely dominated this thread, almost single-handedly, even though he had exams on.

Here's a helpful hint, because I know you struggle with this sort of thing: when you agree with somebody that doesn't mean they automatically win whatever argument they're in.

In fact, in your case, it probably means they automatically lose it.

The vote was legal, the result valid. What's the problem?

Actually, it's in the courts right now because it's probably not legal; a violation of rights.

When a democracy is able to pass any law by simple majority rule, without reference to some fundamental standard of rights, you get Nazi Germany, as Schroe points out.

 

[impervious182]

Here's a helpful hint, because I know you struggle with this sort of thing: when you agree with somebody that doesn't mean they automatically win whatever argument they're in.

In fact, in your case, it probably means they automatically lose it.



Actually, it's in the courts right now because it's probably not legal; a violation of rights.

When a democracy is able to pass any law by simple majority rule, without reference to some fundamental standard of rights, you get Nazi Germany, as Schroe points out.

Ironic that you would be equating something to Nazism. However you're both wrong. I understand what your intentions were, but Hitler came to power through democratic means in Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany was not democratic.

Instead, under the Fuehrer Prinzip, after the passage of the Enabling Act, Hitler could make laws which would come into effect the very next day.

So, what you probably meant was, that you get Weimar Germany. What's more, it's absurb to equate the two, because there was no mass oppression of opposing views in California or America. People weren't being killed for being gay. So your claims are just completely ridiculous and stink of inappropriate hyperbole.

It seems that when anyone disagrees with you Trefoil, they are automatically Nazis, racists, sexist and so on. Very irrational.

 

[impervious182]

Hitler was democratically elected

So were Kevin Rudd, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy, Helen Clarke, John Howard, Paul Keating, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson... etc. etc.

That's just one bad example, amongst many many more good ones. What's more, Hitler being elected democratically was not the problem; rather the fact that the constitution allowed for rule which was not democratic was.

Hitler became dictator of Germany; this is when his infamous policies were implemented. So it's not so much democracy's fault, as the loophole in the constitution which undermined democracy.

 

[Trefoil]

Looks like Zimmerman's assessment that alexbores is a Hitler wannabe was fairly accurate.

 

[impervious182]

Looks like Zimmerman's assessment that alexbores is a Hitler wannabe was fairly accurate.

Looks like my own assessment, that Trefoil is a dumbass who resorts to attacking people, instead of their arguments was extremely accurate.