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sunflowerchoco

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I'm currently doing Maths Ext1, Eng Adv, Business, Eco and Bio.

My Eng Adv. average is around 60% and I don't know whether or not I should drop cuz I want to get at least a band 5 for English. (I'm in yr 11 rn)
It's also not guaranteed that I'm gonna get better marks if I do standard and plus everyone is saying that the scaling is rlly bad for standard as well. I also know that scaling in adv won't help me if I get bad marks, sooo I'm rlly just stuck on whether or not I should drop. What would be the biggest difference in the expectations in terms of the quality of analytical writing and maybe some overall advice?
 

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While it is true that English Advanced has superior alignment when compared to English Standard, what is not true is that a student's ability to achieve a band 5 in English Standard is limited. Back when I did my HSC, I took English Standard and was able to achieve a band 5 despite coming from a non-English speaking background.

I believe that a comparison of the advantages of each subject will hopefully assist you in making a more informed decision.

English Advanced - Advantages:

As mentioned, English Advanced offers the benefit of superior alignment. This means that a lower raw mark in English Advanced may be sufficient to be adjusted to a band 5/6, as opposed to English Standard, where the same outcome typically requires a higher raw mark. Additionally, instances of students achieving band 6's are more common in English Advanced than they are in English Standard.

English Advanced is more complex/sophisticated than English Standard given the nature of the modules as well as the prescribed texts, allowing for a potentially more enriching learning experience and an opportunity to develop your writing/analytical capabilities further than the scope of English Standard. This could be useful if you wish to study a university degree where writing and analytical abilities are emphasised (as you would have gained a solid foundation in advance).

English Standard - Advantages:

English Standard is simpler than English Advanced in relation to the difficulty of the modules and the fact that the prescribed texts are less sophisticated. An example would be "King Henry IV" from the English Advanced Module B compared to the less complex "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" from the English Standard Module B.

English Advanced students tend to be more academically capable than English Standard students. Based on this, if you drop to English Standard and do your utmost, you may have a good chance of achieving a favourable rank in your cohort.

Expectations and overall advice:

I would be inclined to think that quality expectations are slightly lower in English Standard, although it is important to note that this does not necessarily make them low. Regardless of your final decision, one thing to avoid is to underestimate or overlook the difficulty of a subject (i.e. assume that minimal effort is sufficient for favourable performance).

Much of the same advice is applicable to both subjects, meaning that, irrespective of whether you choose English Standard or English Advanced:
  • You should ensure that you understand each module, including key ideas/themes/issues raised.
  • You should ensure that you have a good understanding of your prescribed text(s) for each module, including relevant quotes and techniques.
  • You should regularly seek feedback on your written pieces and ensure that you implement any suggestions in order to maximise the quality of your writing.
I hope this helps! 😄
 

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Thank you so much for the advice!!! I'm just currently asking around and seeing what other people think as well and I'm still considering which course to choose. I'll also be asking my teacher for their recommendation as well. I really appreciate the effort and time u took to reply!! tysm!!
 

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We should prolly put this in a pinnec FAQ or some post idk bc this question is asked so prevalently, will save a lot of ppl from reposting the same thing.
 

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You have a whole year left to improve and English standard really isn’t that much easier. I’d recommend staying in advanced, and trying to improve your writing ability by sending in drafts for feedback from your teacher
 

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Sooo..... I ended up choosing to drop to standard for yr 12 cuz I didn't want to have the thought that I maybe could've achieved better when receiving my assessments back. Also cuz the test results from adv would be directly transferred as my standard mark, if I ever chose to drop after getting my first term results. (If that makes sense) And another reason is that I ended up with a much better and more engaging teacher compared to my old adv teacher. So I guess I'll have to see how I go for English now...
 

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Sooo..... I ended up choosing to drop to standard for yr 12 cuz I didn't want to have the thought that I maybe could've achieved better when receiving my assessments back. Also cuz the test results from adv would be directly transferred as my standard mark, if I ever chose to drop after getting my first term results. (If that makes sense) And another reason is that I ended up with a much better and more engaging teacher compared to my old adv teacher. So I guess I'll have to see how I go for English now...
As long as you feel more motivated in your study of English and you feel more confident, take it as a bonus, don't fall into the trap of many people who drop to standard that you can slack off since they still struggled since both courses on a larger scale fundamentally test the same thing.
 

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