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Yes! Not only should they add extension bio, but add biochem too. I do both bio and chem and this would tremendously help me out. It would be like a chain
Bio helps —> biochem
Chem helps —> biochem
Bio chem helps both —> chem and biology

My subjects would just be 4unit bio, biochem, chem, English, math
Biochemistry is a second year uni subject, and it has both biology and chemistry at first year as prerequisites.

I do know of cases where these have been waived for bio... that is, admitting a student with very strong first year chem into biochem without having studied biology... but never the other way around.

I don't see biochemistry as a subject appearing at HSC, though some biochemical content can be addressed in chemistry or biology or both.
 

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most unis teach their psychology under the school of science
but it is often available in both the Faculty of Arts and the Faculty of Science. There can be considerable crossover between faculties, depending on degree rules. I have a friend who started out doing a BSc and ended up transferring to arts. He took a BA with one of his two majors being applied maths.
 

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but it is often available in both the Faculty of Arts and the Faculty of Science. There can be considerable crossover between faculties, depending on degree rules. I have a friend who started out doing a BSc and ended up transferring to arts. He took a BA with one of his two majors being applied maths.
is psych usually considered a science?
 

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is psych usually considered a science?
Psych can be heavy on scientific methods, experiments, statistical analysis, or much less so. It depends on the area and the applications. There are social science perspectives that look like science and ones that look like humanities.
 

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Many first year Uni subjects have considerable weight given to MCQ in assessment as they are easy to mark. Sciences in major universities can have 2000 students in first year, making for a lot of marking.

Bear in mind that extension science courses call for more advanced practical work, too, potentially requiring new equipment, materials. I mean, a 200 MHz NMR would cost $150k, minimum. Fume hoods for handling some more hazardous chemicals. etc...
Why can’t they just not include advanced prac work? Maybe they can show video demonstrations of the advanced prac or do simplified versions of them.
 

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Why can’t they just not include advanced prac work? Maybe they can show video demonstrations of the advanced prac or do simplified versions of them.
They could, though I'd hope that they wouldn't. Science is experimental by its nature. Theory is developed to understand experimental results and observations. A scientist who has studied science from books without ever doing experimental work is about as well-trained for the task of being a scientist as is a pilot who has aced every theory exam for aeronautical engineering but never flown a plane.
 

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They could, though I'd hope that they wouldn't. Science is experimental by its nature. Theory is developed to understand experimental results and observations. A scientist who has studied science from books without ever doing experimental work is about as well-trained for the task of being a scientist as is a pilot who has aced every theory exam for aeronautical engineering but never flown a plane.
I guess, but some people really enjoy the theory side as well. Just simply learning about concepts is a great thing. A uni student told me that gel electrophoresis is a boring prac, but learning the theory behind it and solving questions about it is an engaging aspect
 

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I guess, but some people really enjoy the theory side as well. Just simply learning about concepts is a great thing. A uni student told me that gel electrophoresis is a boring prac, but learning the theory behind it and solving questions about it is an engaging aspect
You recently asked about mass spec and whether the splitting can happen anywhere. Getting into how it really works is beyond the HSC, but without it, it's a mysterious black box tool that leaves you sometimes unable to judge what is reasonable and what isn't. A task may be dull, but it makes the process real and meaningful in a way that theory alone can't.
 

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im not gonna debate whether psych is a science or not but at high school i would assume you wouldn't be able to test hypotheses, collect data and conduct experiments on human behaviour

rather u would learn content from a textbook and write essays like u would in a traditional humanities subject
my friend took psych in high school (VCE) and it's tested like the sciences here; they did practicals where they'd dissect brains and the highest mark question in the exam is a 10 marker analysing a proposed method and procedures of a hypothetical investigation
 

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but it is often available in both the Faculty of Arts and the Faculty of Science. There can be considerable crossover between faculties, depending on degree rules. I have a friend who started out doing a BSc and ended up transferring to arts. He took a BA with one of his two majors being applied maths.
yea i guess but some of the arts majoring in psych degrees arent accredited
 

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Why can’t they just not include advanced prac work? Maybe they can show video demonstrations of the advanced prac or do simplified versions of them.
Bro that's what science extension is for - best subject in the HSC for me - given it is done properly. You can do any experiment you want and you can go into how much ever detail you want (like 3rd - 4th year level, some people even published their science extension papers in a journal). It is difficult to get right and you will not be taught much but for anyone willing to science extension, its a beautiful subject.

Other than that tho, in my school we use joke that chemistry should be a 3u subject instead of 2u just because of how hard it was at the time (also this was mainly because of the teaching - the concepts aint bad). Fun times.
 

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Bro that's what science extension is for - best subject in the HSC for me - given it is done properly. You can do any experiment you want and you can go into how much ever detail you want (like 3rd - 4th year level, some people even published their science extension papers in a journal). It is difficult to get right and you will not be taught much but for anyone willing to science extension, its a beautiful subject.

Other than that tho, in my school we use joke that chemistry should be a 3u subject instead of 2u just because of how hard it was at the time (also this was mainly because of the teaching - the concepts aint bad). Fun times.
yea but the problem is here funding for the prac
 

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why cant they just teach calculus in younger years so we can do more advanced stuff in year 11 and 12 like fr are essays and extended response even a thing in uni
 

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yea but the problem is here funding for the prac
yep agreed. I had to basically annoy the head teacher for 3 months straight to buy me enough calcium nitrate... and I ended up using up all of the lab's supply plus half of their entire budget. So... yea - i mean in some ways if there are very few students your report doesn't even matter - only the hsc. This was veryy annoying for me because I worked very hard for the report and I didn't do as well in the hsc.
 
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yep agreed. I had to basically annoy the head teacher for 3 months straight to buy me enough sodium nitrate... and I ended up using up all of the lab's supply plus half of their entire budget. So... yea - i mean in some ways if there are very few students your report doesn't even matter - only the hsc. This was veryy annoying for me because I worked very hard for the report and I didn't do as well in the hsc.
But, sodium nitrate is cheap... how much did you need? Or were you needing food grade?
 

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yea i guess but some of the arts majoring in psych degrees arent accredited
Accreditation to work as a psychologist does require an acceptable degree, but the issue is more usually that four years of training are needed and a pass BA is three years. Without Honours, neither a BA nor a BSc is sufficient for working as a psychologist, even with a strong major in psychology.
 

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Accreditation to work as a psychologist does require an acceptable degree, but the issue is more usually that four years of training are needed and a pass BA is three years. Without Honours, neither a BA nor a BSc is sufficient for working as a psychologist, even with a strong major in psychology.
even then with a bpsy (hons) you still need your masters
 

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My bad. I didn't mean sodium nitrate. I needed calcium nitrate. And I used about 15 L over 5 months.
You would have found sodium nitrate harder to get, actually, given the need for an EUD. I can see calcium nitrate tetrahydrate for $50 for half a kg.
 

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