student guild elections - empower vs. vision (1 Viewer)

tonberry_kun

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i hate politics


on an unrelated note: i'm gonna donkey vote in the upcoming election... whether its labour, liberal or some other random crackpot party
 

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heres something else... when the RO caught vision red-handed today having off-campus campaigners campaigning... he gave us (power) a choice whether he should disqualify them automatically, or give them another chance with penalty... we had a chance to have them disqualified for the same reason they got us disqualified last yr... we chose the second option... because
1. we wanted to beat them fair and square; and
2. we do not want to subject anyone, even those who deserve it by karma, to the pain we went thru last yr...

so...
 

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rukawasan said:
heres something else... when the RO caught vision red-handed today having off-campus campaigners campaigning... he gave us (power) a choice whether he should disqualify them automatically, or give them another chance with penalty... we had a chance to have them disqualified for the same reason they got us disqualified last yr... we chose the second option... because
1. we wanted to beat them fair and square; and
2. we do not want to subject anyone, even those who deserve it by karma, to the pain we went thru last yr...

so...
this is facinating... student politics
 

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the other parties had funnier names
'MORE STEAK ON CAMPUS'

thats a winner

oh well i already voted for rukawa
 

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Bambul said:
rukawasan: Your arguments lack depth, have a large number of untruths and is at times baseless propaganda. It is full of holes, uses scare tactics and the original post looks like you were trying to make it look like you were an independent commentator on this election rather than someone campaigning to get Power elected (as shown by your reference to Power as "we").

I will now refute a number of your arguments:

1. "steve legg, who single-handedly increased ur union fees three times last yr"

Union fees went up (ONCE) a few dollars last year, if I remember correctly - about in line with CPI. Steve Legg is one member of a 13 member union board. I would be very surprised if that statement is based on any factual evidence at all.

He was also a member of the same union board that fought to get students to send letters to the independent senators to stop the VSU legislation getting through. This seems inconsitent with your argument of not voting in people who don't care about their students (see point 3).

2. "hes [Steve Legg] the current activies director of student first, which is in office now, and student first if i might remind u, is a load of crap"

Steve Legg left Students First and formed Vision. Just as Gulfam Ahmed left Students First last year to form Power. If you accuse Vision of just being Students First in disguise, then Power must also be Students First in disguise.

3. "presumably campaign hard for a stop to hecs increase just as what a similar faction in UWS did last yr"

There is virtually no chance of the Guild being able to do anything to make the University Council change its decision. It is not a democratically elected body (only 2 members are students). UWS is a very different university many of whose students could much less afford an increase in their HECS whereas UNSW's students by and large can. I'm not supporting the decision to do so, but it's not going to be changed.

4. "did u know hes [Steve Legg] got something like over 20 sexual harassment complaints against him"

This is a vicious rumour started by Power last year because they don't know how to win an election without playing dirty. If you can show me evidence of this then I'd very much like to see it.

5. "vision (which is actually student first in disguise cos they've already got such a bad rep they need to change their name to disassociate themselves)"

I refer you to point 2. If Vision is Students First in disguise then why is Students First also running a ticket. Add to that the fact that the Students First ticket is the one that actually has Students First people from this year (other than Steve Legg) running on it - Predident candidate Calen Thurston (current Secretary/treasurer), Vice-President candidate Patricia Marinozzi (current Women's Director) and Women's Director candidate Courtney Roche (current President).

But according to your argument Vision (whose only current Students First office bearer candidate is Steve Legg) is just Students First in disguise whilst conveniently not mentioning the Students First ticket (which has 3 current Students First office bearers).

6. "power did get disqualified last yr...the unsw ombudsman found in our favour"

Agreed. Power was disqualified for breaking a rule in a very minor way (having a single non-UNSW student campaign for about 15 mins) and handled by the returning officer (a member of Students First) in a very unproffessional way. However, this is not what I would consider an argument for voting for Power.

7. "coupla yrs from now... if ur paying thousands of dollars extra for ur hecs... think back and rmb that u could have made a difference"

Someone has already mentioned that the 25% increase in HECS will not affect anyone already at uni (not 30% as you have continually mentioned - your failure to get your facts right in this and many other occasions whilst trying to speak with so much authority does, frankly, concern me).


For the record - I am not campaigning for any ticket, nor have I ever campaigned or run for any Guild (or Union) election.

bambul for president
 

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tonberry_kun said:
on an unrelated note: i'm gonna donkey vote in the upcoming election... whether its labour, liberal or some other random crackpot party
im not even enrolled to vote! :p

vote [1] bambul
 

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damn should've voted for them instead

speaking of which... clem's pub grub on wednesdays 6-8pm is really nice
great steak for only $6.90... and they give you a huge chunk of steak too

takes awhile to come out tho... i waited 30mins for mine last time
 

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underthesun said:
supposedly theres a party called "MORE STEAK AT UNI"

or something similar
mmmm..why dont i ever see them handing out flyers :(

tonberry_kun said:
speaking of which... clem's pub grub on wednesdays 6-8pm is really nice
great steak for only $6.90... and they give you a huge chunk of steak too
try those $5 steaks at the pubs near our uni...~?
i wonder what they're like
 

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rukawasan said:
Bambul...


teh RO today caught vision red-handed having off-campus campaigners campaignign for them, the exact same breach they got power disqualified last yr... they will be penalised for it... but not disqualified... how they will be penalised, i do not know yet, thats the RO's discretion... so there you go... they breached the same regulation that they worked so hard on to get us disqualified last yr...

i

I don't give a shit about politics, I didn't vote, and this can hardly be labelled as a fake smear because polling is over if I'm not mistaken, but I know of at least one person that was campaigning for Power that was not a student at UNSW.

I'd say they all do it. Just not everyone gets caught.
 

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i voted today, for power, cos they did come to one of my lectures to explain what they were campaigning for. vision seemed to ramble on about "representation", and not much in the way of policy, unless someone can prove to me that they do have policies. and i figured that if i have the right to vote, but don't vote, then i have no right to complain.
 

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mic said:
i voted today, for power, cos they did come to one of my lectures to explain what they were campaigning for. vision seemed to ramble on about "representation", and not much in the way of policy, unless someone can prove to me that they do have policies. and i figured that if i have the right to vote, but don't vote, then i have no right to complain.
legend :D good to see you use your student fees to make your voice heard
 

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Destroy NOLS

1. Power
Broad Left - NOLS. Won the election last year but were disqualified for breaking the rules (someone from another uni campaigned for them for 15 mins).

These are the fuckers known as Action at USYD. They have far too much money for their own good, and at USYD all the people in Action t-shirts are from other universities, like UNSW and UTS. As the incumbant ticket, they refuse to block off students campaigning from other unis, because they're the ones who use other students the most.

In future, don't just vote for the most prominent or the most outspoken team. Actually look at the campaign policies. At USYD, I ran against Action (NOLS) and Keep Left (Socialists) on a $50 budget, and I lost purely because I was drowned out by the thousands of dollars of free t-shirts and posters and vandalism. There are brilliant candidates campaigning for your vote at UNSW, don't ignore them if they're not wearing a campaign t-shirt. It doesn't mean they're not as desperate for the vote - it just means they're not gonna waste Thousands of dollars on the campaign.
 
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Phanatical said:
1. Power
Broad Left - NOLS. Won the election last year but were disqualified for breaking the rules (someone from another uni campaigned for them for 15 mins).

These are the fuckers known as Action at USYD. They have far too much money for their own good, and at USYD all the people in Action t-shirts are from other universities, like UNSW and UTS. As the incumbant ticket, they refuse to block off students campaigning from other unis, because they're the ones who use other students the most.

In future, don't just vote for the most prominent or the most outspoken team. Actually look at the campaign policies. At USYD, I ran against Action (NOLS) and Keep Left (Socialists) on a $50 budget, and I lost purely because I was drowned out by the thousands of dollars of free t-shirts and posters and vandalism. There are brilliant candidates campaigning for your vote at UNSW, don't ignore them if they're not wearing a campaign t-shirt. It doesn't mean they're not as desperate for the vote - it just means they're not gonna waste Thousands of dollars on the campaign.

I agree 100%
 

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