Telling the Truth - Related Texts (4 Viewers)

[paper cup]

Last year we got told if you're studying a poem, your related material should be a different medium. But I don't know.

ohh no. It really depends on what you do with the texts really - like in Ext 1 someone used novel, novel, poem, poem, and it worked rather well. And Plath's stuff is kind of integral to the prescribed texts - [revamped post so it reads more fluently] There are inherent connections between (and in some instances Hughes actually based his poems around these sources)

Poems

Hughes/Plath

Sam - Whiteness I Remember and Sam
Red - Tulips, Nick and the Candlestick...
The Minotaur and The Shot - Daddy and Lady Lazarus

Try to do wide reading, i.e. read some of the other poems in BL such as The Dogs Are Eating Your Mother where he refers to Nick and Frieda as 'orphans/beside the corpse of their mother' check it, I'm not sure.

Photographs

The two I remember poignantly is the one with Plath with blond hair on a beach, kneeling and smiling at the camera - seductive, glamorous - hiding her depression behind that Hollywood mask, and another with brown hair, married to Hughes - image of marital bliss, also deceptive. Can be found easily on google. Also one with Sylvia and Nick - relate to Red and her poems on how his birth changed her life, for the better.

Journal entries

Plath's that is. There two versions, one edited by Hughes and another by Kukil I think it is. The Hughes one is fairly biased - abridged version.

There is a journal entry of Plath's dealing with her missing Sassoon at the Parisian pension, which goes well with Hughes' Your Paris

Plath's novel the Bell Jar would be helpful if you wanted to use alternative mediums.

Biography

There are various bios of Plath around, with different views on the controversy. I used Anne Stevenson's (leans toward Hughes though she tries to present a balanced view) for my assessment task.

 

[kimmeh]

I have chosen to do the song Lies by The Waifs and The simpson episode Homer bad man.

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[goan_crazy]

Fahrenheit 9/11

 

[Jaydels]

is there any restriction on how old articles can be? i've heard that they have to be less than a year old

 

[anchor]

is there any restriction on how old articles can be? i've heard that they have to be less than a year old

I haven't checked, but I see no reason why there should be. As long as it allows you to effectively explore the topic, it shouldn't matter. If you're worried about an 'old' article you could briefly explain its context.



I used 'Mr.Smith Goes to Washington' (1939) as related material.

 

[fineweather]

is there any restriction on how old articles can be? i've heard that they have to be less than a year old

hi jaydels

hmm..thats a good question. usually more recent articles are better and strike a better chord. they tend to relate better to the issues you can raise - ie theyre more modern and theres more you can say about modern society.

on the other hand, older articles give a wider range of context, so you can contrast different time periods and that gives you something to rant and rave about in your essays - ie the insinuous workings of the media and how they never change despite the evolutionising of modern values.

all in all, more recent ones are better - preferably in the past 5 years or so, just because theyre more energetic to talk about. ofcourse, this all depends on the student too. some students can really carry of an older article if they have the spark for it.
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[kimmeh]

Leunig- Lies

i used the john butler trio song too..

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[slater_style]

This sucks

Hey just wondering if anyone could advise me as to weather my related material is any good. I dont want to use political pieces as i got shot down for that in previous essays, and i need things that i like and can relate to.

I have recently just picked The Green Mile, and using issues such as people judging by appearance, credability, etc, comparing to Mike Moore, (thanks to someone mentioning it in the thread) and i was thinking for my second one i might use a song, maybe Brad Paisleys "Celebrity"? anyone have any feedback for me? Im so screwed. Im using "The Red Tree" by Shaun Tan and "Search for the Holy Grail" by hunters and collectors for my journeys related material. so screwed. thanks guys.

 

[glitterfairy]

Green Mile sounds awesome

I'm wondering whether the political stuff is truly "bad", or whether it's your school. A lot of the really really juicy stuff is political, that doesn't mean it's bad. So long as you analyse it well, where's the harm?

 

[slater_style]

THanks

Thanks for that, i seriously am screwed.
Yeah, Green Mile should be ok, you dont think its too much film material though? With two episodes of Frontline and one for that? Im not so sure about the song though...?

Yeah, i loved my political piece, it wrote off John Howard and Bush and that, it was awesome, i was going to use that and the Emporers New Clothes, they went really well together, but i got shot down in my trials and practice essays, with comments such as "Be careful when using political pieces, as the HSC marker could be a die hard JH supporter" etc.

 

[glitterfairy]

Ah, that's true. I conceed.

I'm not familiar with the song so I didn't comment on it. As for covering the texts well enough in your essay, I guess it depends on personal style. Do some practice essays - if you can condense everything in enough, then go for it. If you're finding it too difficult, do some more practice, or find another appropriate text.

 

[ashyoddy]

I heard that The Truman Show was good. i havent even started studying my related material for Frontline. can anyone help with what the truman show can do?

 

[Owyn]

Sorry if this has already come up, but i was wondering, how related do our texts have to be. Im doing Frontline, so does that mean i have to focus on the media in my related texts, or do they have to have common themes, or do they just have to relate to ideas of telling the truth?

 

[fleepbasding]

Yes, the whole issue about how related the ORT's have to be. I found this in the syllabus and it really makes me think that the ORT's have to be about the same event etc...

"Each elective in this module requires the study of one prescribed text offering a representation of an event, personality or situation. Students are also required to supplement this study with texts of their own choosing which provide a variety of representations of that event, personality or situation. These texts are to be drawn from a variety of sources, in a range of genres and media."

page 52- http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_hsc/pdf_doc/english_adv_syl.doc

That is straight from the syllabus.

 

[edwardso]

Using songs as related texts

Hey guys
- I want to use the JBT song 'media' as a related frontline text. If using this or any other song should i be talikng about the music- volume, rhythm, instrumentals etc, or can i stick to discussing the lyrics?
Thanks.

 

[Owyn]

Band 6 stuff would talk about everything in the song, so the rythme, instruments all that stuff. You dont have to know an aweful lot of stuff, just use sophisticated words if possible, like octave or whatever.,... i dont know them, and then link how it reinforces what the lyrics are saying.

Even if you dont want band 6 just do the other stuff anyways, it will give you soo much more to talk about then just lyrics.

 

[viktoria]

Yes, the whole issue about how related the ORT's have to be. I found this in the syllabus and it really makes me think that the ORT's have to be about the same event etc...

"Each elective in this module requires the study of one prescribed text offering a representation of an event, personality or situation. Students are also required to supplement this study with texts of their own choosing which provide a variety of representations of that event, personality or situation. These texts are to be drawn from a variety of sources, in a range of genres and media."

page 52- http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_hsc/pdf_doc/english_adv_syl.doc

That is straight from the syllabus.

i think it's too narrow to do just media. there's all sorts of truths... scientific truths... social truths... political truths... the media is just one form of representation. and if you have three completely different forms that are all connected by how they represent the truth then you're showing how you can cover a broad range... and that's a good thing, isn't it??

i think in that statement the 'event, personallity or situation' refers to 'telling the truth', 'powerplay' and 'history and memory'... ifyouknowwhatimean... and that's my two cents.

 

[fleepbasding]

i think it's too narrow to do just media. there's all sorts of truths... scientific truths... social truths... political truths... the media is just one form of representation. and if you have three completely different forms that are all connected by how they represent the truth then you're showing how you can cover a broad range... and that's a good thing, isn't it??

i think in that statement the 'event, personallity or situation' refers to 'telling the truth', 'powerplay' and 'history and memory'... ifyouknowwhatimean... and that's my two cents.

Yes, I completely agree about using different media. I'm sorry, I didn't articulate very well that my point was that the ORT's have to be about the same personality, event etc. Like for "Birthday Letters", one of Plaths poems or a biography by some feminist or something. So it is a different representation of the same event. Atleast that's what the syllabus seems to indicate.

 

[kimmeh]

Hey there i am using Animal Farm by George Orwell. It is an excellent text as it is short (about 55pages), easy to read and has a basic story line. You can download the whole text for free at:
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/animalfarm/

Goodluk in your exams ppl!!

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[fleepbasding]

Yes, I completely agree about using different media. I'm sorry, I didn't articulate very well that my point was that the ORT's have to be about the same personality, event etc. Like for "Birthday Letters", one of Plaths poems or a biography by some feminist or something. So it is a different representation of the same event. Atleast that's what the syllabus seems to indicate.

well, I phoned the adviceline yesterday and asked about the dodgy syllabus extract. This is the dodgy extract by the way:

"Each elective in this module requires the study of one prescribed text offering a representation of an event, personality or situation. Students are also required to supplement this study with texts of their own choosing which provide a variety of representations of that event, personality or situation. These texts are to be drawn from a variety of sources, in a range of genres and media."

page 52- http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.a...ish_adv_syl.doc

The woman was a bit surprised, she'd never seen the passage. So she brought it to the supervising teacher and chattted to him/her for a while and came back and said to ignore it, some sort of error. She even encouraged to make the related text about something completely unrelated (ironic I know) to the prescribed text. Ahhhh, that's a relief!