The 'left' = dirty? (2 Viewers)

[Comrade nathan]

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[Phanatical]

Alright men may face disadvantages in those areas you have highlighted. Both genders also face common disadvantages. However, I think in these areas mentioned above women face more disadvantages than males face.

I honestly believe that the balance has gone the the other way. And in 20 years time, it will be blatantly obvious so that even the most crazed feminist can't claim she's less advantaged than a male. Just in Australia, boys can't get as high quality an education, so they are expected to join lower paid trades. 60% of university students are female, and 80% of the lowest paid third of the workforce are male. If they become a father, the family court will, over 90% of the time award custody to the mother, upon an assertion that a mother is a better parent than a father. I can go on, but I think you get the gist of my arguments.

Just look at sites like http://forum.dadsontheair.com/. How can you tell me these men are more advantaged than women? They don't even get to see their kids!

The fact that I can be criticised for suggesting that men need representation in society is symptomatic of a misandrist society. I highly recommend the new book "Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture" by Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Do you know one of most extremist feminist was a prostitute. Show wrote the SCUM manifesto. She was still prostituting while being an activist. She is the lady who shot Danny Warhol, i forgot her name.

 

[braindrainedAsh]

I think saying that society has become misandrist is a bit crazy... I mean, take a look at pop culture. Women still define themselves by their attractiveness and ability to get a man. Objectification of women is still rife- it just takes a different form these days. In the corporate world women still get paid less even when they are equally qualified. And this runs through all socio economic groups in society- from the poor girl who latches on to some no hoper boy, gets knocked up and is set for a life of domestic assault, to the rich girl who gets married off as a trophy wife despite being university educated.

I'm not saying that we should run out and burn our bras, but to say society is now misandrist is taking it too far. I still think there is a gap between male and female equality, be it a small one.

I don't think the difference in participation rates between males and females at university is an indication that the male is disadvantaged. It's just that other paths such as the trades are more traditionally followed by males- the only female equivalent of a trade is hairdressing. Other historically female dominated "trades" include teaching and nursing, both of which are taught at university nowadays. At our school they had a special boy-focused education program so that they would not fall behind due to their different ways of learning. I understand that this program is implemented across all state schools (at least in NSW).

 

[malkin86]

The government now has a scholarship which is available to male uni students who wish to become primary school teachers, in order to encourage there to be male primary school teachers.

 

[White Rabbit]

Thats because of the massive shortage though - there are scholarships for women studying male dominated degrees such as science, ag or IT. It's pretty well-balaned at Uni I'd say

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Do you know one of most extremist feminist was a prostitute. Show wrote the SCUM manifesto. She was still prostituting while being an activist. She is the lady who shot Danny Warhol, i forgot her name.

Valarie Solanis, read alot about her. She was a total nut.

 

[withoutaface]

http://www.usyd.edu.au/fstudent/undergrad/study/shm/schol_news.shtml#russian

Konstantin Gawrilow Scholarship

To enable a student to study Russian language and/or literature at any Australian University as part of or the whole of any course of study at the University of Sydney. Available to women of no more than 25 years of age entering a first year course who are:

of Aboriginal extraction in whole or part and

1. have no living parent, or
2. have only one living parent, or
3. are cared for, or were until attaining majority cared for, by one parent by reason of desertion of the other parent; or

not of Aboriginal extraction in whole or in part and

1. have no living parent, or
2. have only one living parent.

Value: $7500 per year
Duration: 1 year
Closing Date: Friday, 29th of April 2005

The application form can be obtained from the Scholarships Unit, or by clicking here (PDF).


You have to be female, doing Russian, under 25 and an orphan.

 

[neo o]

Thats because of the massive shortage though - there are scholarships for women studying male dominated degrees such as science, ag or IT. It's pretty well-balaned at Uni I'd say

Then why aren't there scholarships for men to enter into a female dominated university :uhhuh:. I think scholarships like that are stupid anyway, because they assume that women and men are entirely equal and are interested in exactly the same thing.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I mean, take a look at pop culture. Women still define themselves by their attractiveness and ability to get a man. Objectification of women is still rife- it just takes a different form these days.

You obviously don't understand 3rd wave feminism.

In the corporate world women still get paid less even when they are equally qualified.

Are they doing the same ammount of work? Are they putting in the long hours? Just being "equally qualified" means nothing.

from the poor girl who latches on to some no hoper boy, gets knocked up and is set for a life of domestic assault, to the rich girl who gets married off as a trophy wife despite being university educated.

Yes but what about the guys in those situations that are the ones being shitted on?

It's just that other paths such as the trades are more traditionally followed by males- the only female equivalent of a trade is hairdressing.

Do you think guys like working their arses off in some trade? They don't - they do it for money.

 

[White Rabbit]

Then why aren't there scholarships for men to enter into a female dominated university :uhhuh:. I think scholarships like that are stupid anyway, because they assume that women and men are entirely equal and are interested in exactly the same thing.

That started from 'men get scholarships because there aren't enough men in the field' fucktard. And you'd find most scholarships for women in male dominated industries are not government funded but rather from the private sector, and the aim to make it easier for women to get into indutries in which, traditionally if you didn't have a penis you had no chnace - the Horse managment industry for example, have unoffical pre-recs of being a male.

from the poor girl who latches on to some no hoper boy, gets knocked up and is set for a life of domestic assault, to the rich girl who gets married off as a trophy wife despite being university educated.

Reliance is a choice not a given. The trophy wife chooses the easy way to finanical inpendence the poor girl generally has little education offered, although to assume they all end up the victim of domestic violence is a bit of a leap.

Are they doing the same ammount of work? Are they putting in the long hours? Just being "equally qualified" means nothing

Don't be ridiculus, the 'glass cealining' still exists, as does pay inequality.

 

[paper cup]

Then why aren't there scholarships for men to enter into a female dominated university :uhhuh:. I think scholarships like that are stupid anyway, because they assume that women and men are entirely equal and are interested in exactly the same thing.

there aren't any?
because the female dominated professions are mostly lower paid then male dominated professions?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

no I think you'll find that more men are in the lower paid professions than women.

 

[paper cup]

no I think you'll find that more men are in the lower paid professions than women.

statistics please, we use really dated material in class so you may be right.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Even your statistics obviously don't take into account that men (from what i've read) usually work longer hours than women and are more willing to do the 'dirty' jobs.

The worst job for women is nursing, I guess?
As nursing requires university education, I imagine it's more of a 'choice' than merely a job to make some money.

 

[paper cup]

Even your statistics obviously don't take into account that men (from what i've read) usually work longer hours than women and are more willing to do the 'dirty' jobs.

The worst job for women is nursing, I guess?
As nursing requires university education, I imagine it's more of a 'choice' than merely a job to make some money.

I asked you for statistics!

nursing, teaching, clerical jobs
more female secretaries.

 

[withoutaface]

Yeah, but if porno has taught me anything, it's that secretaries sleep with their bosses and get really well paid executive positions.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I dunno really about the pay, but look through "http://jobsearch.gov.au/joboutlook/default.aspx?pageId=AlphaSearch&WHCode=2&TextOnly=0"
and I think you'll find most jobs you go "fuck I wouldn't wanna do that", are full of males.

 

[paper cup]

and you can't claim that the glass ceiling no longer exists, because it's there, and it's pissing me off.

 

[withoutaface]

Your location claims that it no longer exists.

QED