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Lentern

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how do you swing a rather taboo surgical procedure into something positive
Like a soccer game,
-disposess the other team,
-control the ball then
-move it where you want it to go.

-Chemical life starts at conception, human life starts when the offspring becomes capable of living as a human, outside of the mother not as a parasitic organ of the mother. You have to draw trhe line at a reasonable point, otherwise you might as well say not having sex once a cyle to try and fetilise all those potential human lives might as well be manslaughter.
-A parent who doesn't want to have the child is perhaps a little unlikely to be a great parent, do you really want to be creating human lives knowing that their families would rather they didn't exist? Call me anti life but atleast I'm pro compassion.
-Unintentional pregnancies can have terrible ripple effects. Imagine a young lady called Guinevere aged 16 is careless one time with her boyfriend and ends up pregnant. She reluctantly has the child, drops out of school and does a mediocre job raising her little bundle of joy, her husband is the sole breadwinner for the first twelve years of the little ones life but it proves insufficent, Gwen lapses into depression convinced she is failing her daughter, the daughter is raised with a father forever working down at the warehouse to pay the rent and a depressed mother, she does poorly at school and ends up having a mediocre life of her own, after the fiasco of the first child Gwen decides to never have another child.

or
Gwen terminates the pregnancy and picks up where she left off before the whole fiasco in regards to her study. Does quite well at school, becomes a registered nurse, not needing to work full time to support a baby her husband goes to uni and gets a degree in business and starts a small but steady small business of his own. Aged 33, with her husbands business now running quite smoothly and the mortgage almost paid off Gwen decides to try for a baby, their little daughter gets piano lessons, a maths tutor, captains her sporting house in primary school and goes on to complete her uni degree with honours.

Which Scenario sounds better all you right wing, bible bashing, pro life, leave it to beaver monsters? Get off your absolutist soapboxes and think about the weight of consequences not just of actions.
 

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-Chemical life starts at conception, human life starts when the offspring becomes capable of living as a human, outside of the mother not as a parasitic organ of the mother. You have to draw trhe line at a reasonable point, otherwise you might as well say not having sex once a cyle to try and fetilise all those potential human lives might as well be manslaughter.
-A parent who doesn't want to have the child is perhaps a little unlikely to be a great parent, do you really want to be creating human lives knowing that their families would rather they didn't exist? Call me anti life but atleast I'm pro compassion.
-Unintentional pregnancies can have terrible ripple effects. Imagine a young lady called Guinevere aged 16 is careless one time with her boyfriend and ends up pregnant. She reluctantly has the child, drops out of school and does a mediocre job raising her little bundle of joy, her husband is the sole breadwinner for the first twelve years of the little ones life but it proves insufficent, Gwen lapses into depression convinced she is failing her daughter, the daughter is raised with a father forever working down at the warehouse to pay the rent and a depressed mother, she does poorly at school and ends up having a mediocre life of her own, after the fiasco of the first child Gwen decides to never have another child.

or
Gwen terminates the pregnancy and picks up where she left off before the whole fiasco in regards to her study. Does quite well at school, becomes a registered nurse, not needing to work full time to support a baby her husband goes to uni and gets a degree in business and starts a small but steady small business of his own. Aged 33, with her husbands business now running quite smoothly and the mortgage almost paid off Gwen decides to try for a baby, their little daughter gets piano lessons, a maths tutor, captains her sporting house in primary school and goes on to complete her uni degree with honours.

Which Scenario sounds better all you right wing, bible bashing, pro life, leave it to beaver monsters? Get off your absolutist soapboxes and think about the weight of consequences not just of actions.
Agreed 100%
 

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