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hi ppl!

i cudn't get into med in unsw dis yr!

so i have decided to do advanced sciene at unsw !

can i sit the umat again in 2006 and apply at unsw?

do i have to defer the 2nd semester and den sit umat ?

will i b able to transfer into undergrad med if i do gud in the umat, gpa n interview ??

plzz i seriously need help!
 

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Yes you can. Join my club. You dont have to defer anything, however with your uai, its probably better to take less than 75% load so that they dont count your uni results, as the highest selection rank you can attain is 99.5 (with gpa 6.5+). However I have spoken to UNSW and they said they consider your WAM, but they also stated that a GPA of 6.5+ will give the highest possible selection rank for the uni marks part of the selection process, so Im not too sure what they mean.

They probably mean that a WAM of 80+ will be competitive.

Yes you can transfer if you have an excellent GPA, Umat and interview.
 

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I'm in a similar position however I think I'm going to take the year off and sit UMAT again unless I receive an offer from either Melb or Adelaide. With that sort of a UAI, this is also an option for you.
 

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You're best taking the year off if your UAI is 99.5+. Or taking a less than 75% load. (so that you dont waste another yr if you dont make it)
 

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i got a uai of 91.7 this year. If i take advanced science @ unsw, what GPA would i need to be considered for Medicine? Also is there any course selection prerequisites?
 

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Even if you get straight HD's, you'd hardly stand a chance. To transfer you need a uai of ~96.5+
 

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You don't transfer into med as such - you stop doing whatever you did before and begin med at its beginning... i'm picky, i know...

For very high uais, the suggestion of not completing a full year's academic load is a very good one as the odds of you getting uni results that will increase rather than decrease the academic component of your entry are quite low.

For high (but not high enough) uais, its a different situation. as far as i know, the university combines your uai and first year uni marks 50:50, so you'd need exceptional marks in all your subjects to be in the running... i'm not sure what marks would be considered when giving or not giving you an interview. so it would be quite tough for you. don't give up though - graduate med at usyd and other places is an equally good option if you didn't get into an undergrad course.
 

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Just bear in mind full time load according to unsw is a load of 75% +.
 

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If your UAI is between 93-99, why not consider doing Medicine at Newcastle instead?
They don't care exactly what UAI you have got as long as you've got above 93, and they don't count whatever University GPA you may have received in your first year (barring people who've got below that). They just take UMAT and interview.
By the way, why is Medicine 5 years at Newcastle but 6/7 years at UNSW? Does UNSW have something extra up its sleeve?
 

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sydneyphoenix said:
By the way, why is Medicine 5 years at Newcastle but 6/7 years at UNSW? Does UNSW have something extra up its sleeve?
I think Newcastle is also 6 years if you choose to take up the extra MedSci option. UNSW has a compulsory research project (independent learning project - ILP - which can be replaced by a MedSci research year) which takes up the better part of a year. The ILP/MedSci year at UNSW probably accounts (roughly) for the one year difference in their basic programs. The case of 7 years at UNSW is more if a person enters the BA/MBBS program, in which case it's understandable if the degree is longer.
 

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sydneyphoenix said:
If your UAI is between 93-99, why not consider doing Medicine at Newcastle instead?
They don't care exactly what UAI you have got as long as you've got above 93, and they don't count whatever University GPA you may have received in your first year (barring people who've got below that). They just take UMAT and interview.
By the way, why is Medicine 5 years at Newcastle but 6/7 years at UNSW? Does UNSW have something extra up its sleeve?
Some people dont like the fact that newcastle is in massive debt and some people think UNSW has a better reputation. Plus, UNSW is a lot more convenient.
 

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Actually in terms of Medicine, it's Newcastle that has the better reputation. The UNSW course has taken scathing criticism in the last three years, but a lot less now than before.

The main criticism against Newcastle was (until 2005) that it didn't include nearly enough "real" anatomy, especially the exclusive use of path-pots instead of cadavers. However, cadavers have since been introduced and this criticism is no longer valid. The main criticism against UNSW however was one of disorganisation, something a lot more difficult to eliminate. Of course this applies to every single medical school (when you get in you'll see why) but UNSW had it particularly bad. Again, this is heard less and less.

Every medical school has good years and bad years (look at Adelaide, the slackjawed local (yokel) press gives them a beating every damn year about something or other) but it is important to remember that each school is still altogether excellent. This isn't the US where you have the Ivy League on one end and the clown schools on the other, with a huge price gradient in between.
 

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Hmm that sounds like a good idea clever_angel...I don't think it's wise to take the year off Sepulchres, just to prep for UMAT though, just in case your results aren't up to expectations imo.
 

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sydneyphoenix said:
By the way, why is Medicine 5 years at Newcastle but 6/7 years at UNSW? Does UNSW have something extra up its sleeve?
actualli its just convention.. cos mbbs were always 6 yrs long (3 yrs medical science and 3 yrs clinical learning).. but newer integrated courses (PBL and PCL type) have actualli been taught successfully in 5 yrs as its a lot of skills based work (from 1st yr its mixed clinical + medical sciences... this is why transferring isnt technically possible)..

in Melbourne the extra yr is the AMS (adv. medical sc.) semesters which allow for a BMedSc/MBBS (in order furthers ure scientific methods)

in Adelaide and Tasmania the extra yr is pre-clinical training like a trainee intern yr.. so u gradually learn to be an intern (allows u to further ure clinical skills)

as UNSW course is fairly new (2yrs... vs melb 7 yrs vs newcastle almost 15 yrs ).. im not too sure what they do with the extra yr.
 

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Actually in terms of Medicine, it's Newcastle that has the better reputation. The UNSW course has taken scathing criticism in the last three years, but a lot less now than before.

The main criticism against Newcastle was (until 2005) that it didn't include nearly enough "real" anatomy, especially the exclusive use of path-pots instead of cadavers. However, cadavers have since been introduced and this criticism is no longer valid. The main criticism against UNSW however was one of disorganisation, something a lot more difficult to eliminate. Of course this applies to every single medical school (when you get in you'll see why) but UNSW had it particularly bad. Again, this is heard less and less.

Every medical school has good years and bad years (look at Adelaide, the slackjawed local (yokel) press gives them a beating every damn year about something or other) but it is important to remember that each school is still altogether excellent. This isn't the US where you have the Ivy League on one end and the clown schools on the other, with a huge price gradient in between.

robert...have i told you before that I love you?

anyway you're right on the mark there

newcastle still dont give us scapals or knives and let us cut up bodies, but we get the whole cadaver and such so we're not missing out on too much.

As for uni debt, some may be worried by this but if you sit in on a committee meeting with the dean of any med school, you'll realise that most medical schools run at a loss. Medicine is simply an expensive course to run, all the costs for training/clinical/tutorials etc is a lot of money, especially for all those different specialists required to lecture/be tutors for small group pbls, practical examinations, hospital conjoints, the list goes on.

The main prob with newcastle for sydney people is that it's not in sydney... that's basically the problem. I know so many people who would never consider moving away from home. They'd rather take a shot for grad med at usyd.

Just make sure you do your research before you make any big claims as it won't look good on you when you're corrected by someone else who has done their research.


EDIT: i forgot to mention that all medical schools (except notre dame and Bond uni *hahaha surfie docs -_-*) have research as a large focus of their faculty. A lot of money is put into research grants and such from sponsors and the school itself so that's more money the school requires from the university. In newcastle's circumstance there may be some changes but it wont affect the students and the quality of the course. Like the coordinator and the Vice chancellor are both newcastle med graduates!!

anyway, all med schools are great, or they wouldnt have such great competition. You will all become competent and qualified doctors when you come out ready for that big journey to the outside world flying solo (im talking absolute trash...its 4am)
 
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Every medical school has good years and bad years (look at Adelaide, the slackjawed local (yokel) press gives them a beating every damn year about something or other)
we have path pots, cadavars and CSIRO centre nearby.. (one of my tutors use to work there.. )

but the main criticism is the admission process and "losing SA talent" (aka High TER's) when they flunk out on the UMAT or interview and Melb snaps them up
its now fixed with a 2nd round of medical interviews.

we had the anatomy problem too.. and now we have dedicated anatomy courses in cranial and limb anatomy if wanted as well as the anatomy labs are structured better

basic cell bio is also mandatory for yr 1.. its not majorly beneficial.. i didnt do it.. and i managed.. but its handy.

yes dun we all love robert :).. (id have his children too if it wasnt a crime against nature for me and him to breed)
 

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you could always have IVF with some egg donor ... or adopt a kid

but then rob would be busy attending all his husbands and making them happy
think of the child support payments
 

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Well this thread's gone to the dogs.

:p Thanks for the kind sentiments, but sadly personal circumstance precludes me from sharing my hot seed of love with either of you. Circumstance being that I understand it would simply be WRONG WRONG WRONG to do so.
 

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1st year transfers into UNSW med.. Does anyone know the realistic chances of this? Maybe I heard wrong, but at Open day i got the impression that transfers were close to impossible.

Clever_angel, thats a pretty high UAI tho, so I'm thinking u have a better than average chance tho. (At least I hope so, cos if u dont I have little chance at a med transfer anywhere haha)
 

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