Violence erupts in Sydney over anti-Islam film (2 Viewers)

[kaz1]

Holy fuck this thread has moved fast.

Also there might be more protests this weekend lol.

 

[Absolutezero]

Holy fuck this thread has moved fast.

Also there might be more protests this weekend lol.

It's all a little bit silly.

 

[Obvious]

It's all a little bit silly.

But entertaining!

Also, how many people have you banned in this thread so far?

 

[Absolutezero]

But entertaining!

Also, how many people have you banned in this thread so far?

Not enough

 

[soloooooo]

Out of curiousity... Do you consider far right islamist groups who operate in Europe to be on par with Hizb Ut-Tahrir, more concerning or less concerning?

I consider all far right extremist islamic groups to be concerning.

 

[Debauchee]

One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now,

If there is ONE thing Islam is incompatible with, it is moral relativism.

 

[Debauchee]

Not enough

you must have such a rich, fulfilling life outside of bos

 

[7eleven]

If there is ONE thing Islam is incompatible with, it is moral relativism.

Im not gonna bother with idiots like u.

 

[Peccadillo]

I consider all far right extremist islamic groups to be concerning.

My bad. I meant anti Islamist groups. Can you provide an answer

 

[Lolsmith]

I kind of agree, but at the same time I'm also torn because no-one reads a legitimate death threat and just shrug and say "well, he's allowed to say that but he won't ever hurt me because the law says he can't." If someone says "stop saying such and such or I will kill you" and the threat is legitimate then plenty of people would shut up because of that threat. Under your rules this would seem to be be perfectly fair. So the idea that someone can use their freedom of speech to destroy my freedom of speech is repugnant to me. Yes, I realise the only way that you can in turn stop the person that was originally making the threats is to silence them and this creates a contradiction, but I prefer to think of it mostly as "you have this right, but if you misuse it the state reserves the right to take that away from you." That can create a slippery slope to all sorts of populist or dictatorial silencing, but as long as it was clearly spelt out to begin with as "freedom of speech unless that speech inhibits the freedom of others" then I think it can maintain internal consistency without leading to a totalitarian outcome (in liberal democracies anyway).

Yeah pragmatically speaking limiting speech so people can't threaten others in a serious way isn't really that much of a huge loss. But in terms of being 100% consistent on an ideological level, I think it would be a divergence from total free speech.

 

[Absolutezero]

you must have such a rich, fulfilling life outside of bos

It's pretty fucking great.

 

[dawooddaman]

LOL what happen to Living Moment?

 

[Absolutezero]

Yeah pragmatically speaking limiting speech so people can't threaten others in a serious way isn't really that much of a huge loss. But in terms of being 100% consistent on an ideological level, I think it would be a divergence from total free speech.

It's probably a hard one to enforce as well, in terms of drawing a line.

 

[Debauchee]

Im not gonna bother with idiots like u.

No, really. Everything in the Koran came from a time much different to ours, and yet a majority of muslims want the teachings of the koran to be incorporated into the law.

You can't just say something doesn't matter because it was from a different time, because the laws of Islam are absolute and do not properly change just because society is different.

 

[7eleven]

No, really. Everything in the Koran came from a time much different to ours, and yet a majority of muslims want the teachings of the koran to be incorporated into the law.

You can't just say something doesn't matter because it was from a different time, because the laws of Islam are absolute and do not properly change just because society is different.

Yeah thats right. The laws of islam havent changed for over 1400 years. I dont see the point your trying to make?

 

[fortyfortyforty]

He's saying Islam is more pure and legitimate than other religions that change with the zeitgeist so he's thinking of converting.

 

[Obvious]

Yeah thats right. The laws of islam havent changed for over 1400 years. I dont see the point your trying to make?

I think we could make space elevators from your brain.

 

[Lolsmith]

Yeah thats right. The laws of islam havent changed for over 1400 years. I dont see the point your trying to make?

lol seriously

 

[Obvious]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/w...ehicle-carrying-foreigners-in-kabul.html?_r=0

 

[soloooooo]