VSU petition (1 Viewer)

[LaraB]

if only it were so simple

lol exactly

no point tgoing into it though.. has been done over and over again on here and those who are pro vsu are just as stubborn about their views as the anti-vsu people they whineg about

just coz some of the money goes to the queer association or whatever it's called doesn't make the whole practice useless....

 

[hiphophorray123]

The government is ignoring you because you are wrong.

hahahahah *claps* so true

 

[walrusbear]

the reason pro VSU people will never understand is because their arguments cannot extend beyond themselves

they don't have the perception to see how policies affect the world outside their own comforts.
they can't place value on something they can't quantify

 

[erawamai]

The government is ignoring you because you are wrong.

hahha you would make such a good politician. Governing for everyone.

 

[walrusbear]

Yes I forgot how student unions bring world peace and solve all social problems.

you didn't forget the equally as trite assumption that they're worthless

 

[withoutaface]

the reason pro VSU people will never understand is because their arguments cannot extend beyond themselves

they don't have the perception to see how policies affect the world outside their own comforts.
they can't place value on something they can't quantify

Can I make it clear, as I have many times in the past, that VSU will actually be detrimental to me, at least in the traditional materialist sense. I will still join the Union next year, and I will no longer be subsidised by those who are members without drawing benefit, and I will get almost exactly what I pay for rather than a substantial amount more. I support VSU because I can indeed see past myself to the people who are paying their hard earned money for no benefit and it sickens me.

 

[withoutaface]

if by 'them' you are referring to the queer association your post is useless because you obviously didn't understand what i meant

Perhaps you could clarify the meaning of your post for him instead of dismissing him altogether.

 

[Xayma]

because most students are apathetic

why does the government have to ignore such a strong anti-VSU voice in passing its cynical policy?

He does have a point though. Bribing students to turn up just leads to the government strengthing its argument within party. Brendan Nelson used one of the protests quite well in this regard, where the UNSW guild gave cash incentives to clubs to turn up.

 

[walrusbear]

Can I make it clear, as I have many times in the past, that VSU will actually be detrimental to me, at least in the traditional materialist sense. I will still join the Union next year, and I will no longer be subsidised by those who are members without drawing benefit, and I will get almost exactly what I pay for rather than a substantial amount more. I support VSU because I can indeed see past myself to the people who are paying their hard earned money for no benefit and it sickens me.

you're still reducing the value of the union to your personal materials

i'm suggesting that there is more at stakes
you need to look at it collectively, as well as what its contribution to the overall status of university is

 

[walrusbear]

He does have a point though. Bribing students to turn up just leads to the government strengthing its argument within party. Brendan Nelson used one of the protests quite well in this regard, where the UNSW guild gave cash incentives to clubs to turn up.

i think it's indicative of desperation
it can be perceived as a weakness, but i think the nature of the policy brings out this sort of behaviour
its a cynical policy - i don't think anyone can blame the unions for doing whatever they can in defence

and as i said it takes a lot to fight the apathy that's prevalent these days

 

[LaraB]

Actually, it does.

Nothing they do that is exclusive to them benefits me.

Isn't that the definition of useless?

if by 'them' you are referring to the queer association your post is useless because you obviously didn't understand what i meant

 

[withoutaface]

fine, since it's so important to you although the meaning is pretty clear....

i said:


which means - just because a portion of the total union fees are allocated to the queer association, it doens't mean that everyother practice and function of the union is useless

clearly i didn't mean that just because some money goes toe the queer association that the queer association is usless as the post in response seemed to infer... obviously the manner with which i referred to it i do not agree that the queer association is a vital part of the uni and that funds are spent on other things that are useful, not just that.

but maybe instead of you criticising you would like to read the post and see that i said "if" by 'them' the poster meant the queer association it was a pointless post coz that wasn't what i meant so a response to say what i said was wrong is pointless if we're talking about 2 differenht things... i didn't say the post was a waste of space, fullstop.

The point of VSU is that the students will pay for the useful services and discard the ones which aren't.

 

[walrusbear]

The point of VSU is that the students will pay for the useful services and discard the ones which aren't.

with the word 'useful' meaning whatever has the most demand
meaning it is useful for 'most'

the policy doesn't even makes sense in a petty way

 

[LaraB]

Perhaps you could clarify the meaning of your post for him instead of dismissing him altogether.

fine, since it's so important to you although the meaning is pretty clear....

i said:

just coz some of the money goes to the queer association or whatever it's called doesn't make the whole practice useless....

which means - just because a portion of the total union fees are allocated to the queer association, it doens't mean that everyother practice and function of the union is useless

clearly i didn't mean that just because some money goes toe the queer association that the queer association is usless as the post in response seemed to infer... obviously the manner with which i referred to it i do not agree that the queer association is a vital part of the uni and that funds are spent on other things that are useful, not just that.

but maybe instead of you criticising you would like to read the post and see that i said "if" by 'them' the poster meant the queer association it was a pointless post coz that wasn't what i meant so a response to say what i said was wrong is pointless if we're talking about 2 differenht things... i didn't say the post was a waste of space, fullstop.

 

[LaraB]

i was referring to student unions.

ok that makes sense frmo your perpsective then.. although i don't agree

so, withoutaface - see, all i was doing was clarifying if we were talking about the same thing ... easy solution... no need for you to criticise back....

 

[gordo]

haha u have to give incentive for ppl to sign it

haven't the faggots who started making petitions to get their geography teacher fired in yr 9 and are still making them now worked out that there futility

 

[withoutaface]

yes but the problem is it'll be done on a majority basis - say for example 51% vote to get rid of free legal advice but 49% say to keep it, that's just bs because just coz it's not a popular service doesn't make it a useless one..

plus i don't see many uni students, seemingly those pro vsu, giving half a shit about other people because of course, their little world will be safe... when eventually everything will have an impact upon you at some stage

If 49% of students are willing to pay fees for free legal advice it will almost certainly remain. If 2% of students are then it will not.

 

[LaraB]

read, darling, read.

if that was in reference to my other post - i did read it so no i'm not just saying crap after you already answered my post

my timestamps just being screwy so your replies are appearing before my actual posts

 

[LaraB]

you're still reducing the value of the union to your personal materials

i'm suggesting that there is more at stakes
you need to look at it collectively, as well as what its contribution to the overall status of university is

yeah exactly...

no one said that unions are a vital part in every day of your life as a student..

its a collective concept because if some students are affected it gradually begins to effect others and gets to be a larger and larger effect....

it's the same as say, medical care - if it was a shit system like the us, you may not care since you don't really use it but it effects the quality of life of otehrs and operation of the collective populace.. plus eventually you may need to use the services and if you dismissed their usefulness just coz you hadn't had to use it before and supported policies which advocated for say, a removal of insurance systems, you'd be screwed.

 

[withoutaface]

The barriers will be determined by the market. If enough people contribute enough money such that the service can stand on its own two feet then it will survive.