VSU Rally vs. Tuts and Lectures? (2 Viewers)

[Phanatical]

Diversity wasn't much of a party last year. It was more a collection of Con students who were pissed off at Action.

 

[withoutaface]

Someone should run a white supremacist candidate to see what the socialists do...

 

[Phanatical]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything to do with the union?

It has nothing more to do with those elections then you being Chinese had to do with your attempt to get on the SRC.

Rose Jackson came to power purely on the gender card. Katy Fernandez ALSO played the gender card, and she scored the most ballots of all the candidates in Wednesday's election. Victor Ma and Gigi Wong's successes have come purely from playing the race card. You really think these sorts of things have nothing to do with the elections?

 

[withoutaface]

Rose Jackson came to power purely on the gender card. Katy Fernandez ALSO played the gender card, and she scored the most ballots of all the candidates in Wednesday's election. Victor Ma and Gigi Wong's successes have come purely from playing the race card. You really think these sorts of things have nothing to do with the elections?

Katy is Rose Jackson.

 

[Xayma]

Rose Jackson came to power purely on the gender card. Katy Fernandez ALSO played the gender card, and she scored the most ballots of all the candidates in Wednesday's election. Victor Ma and Gigi Wong's successes have come purely from playing the race card. You really think these sorts of things have nothing to do with the elections?

Yes, it doesn't change the fact it is unethical to use it for your own advantage (as in playing oppressed minority, or by demeaning others) (Yes I do think Katy playing the gender card was unethical).

 

[withoutaface]

Kok was playing the oppressed minority card a lot, if you read his blurb on the union site:
"As a Queer, half-Chinese student, I provide a unique and necessary viewpoint on homophobia and racism, and I know from experience that they do exist on campus, and need to be fought at every level.

I believe that the Union Board needs directors with experience, who are dedicated to student advocacy and the expansion of student rights and services. I am an Officer and Councillor for the SRC and the Secretary for one of the largest Queer organisations in Australia. "

I believe that he's the one who made his sexuality an issue, and if he wants to use it to his advantage then he can't really cry foul when others use it to his disadvantage...

 

[Phanatical]

I think it's justified to use it when you're against somebody like Rose Jackson. I made the mistake of not using my race card, except to criticise Jackson for playing the gender card, and I lost the election.

If I honestly believe that I would be the better person for the position of SRC President, shouldn't I do what I can to get into power, so that I can do the good work that I want to do?

 

[stazi]

i voted for katy. all the girls promoting her were hot. i flirted madly with one of them. She got my number 3 vote.
As for Kok. That guy is hillarious!!! Partially because his ads don't make sense. "KOK ON BOARD". Partially because his name is kok. and hes gay

 

[Plebeian]

I think it's justified to use it when you're against somebody like Rose Jackson. I made the mistake of not using my race card, except to criticise Jackson for playing the gender card, and I lost the election.

If I honestly believe that I would be the better person for the position of SRC President, shouldn't I do what I can to get into power, so that I can do the good work that I want to do?

"The ends justify the means" is not a particularly widely-accepted ethical standpoint. It is only you (and your followers, should they exist) who believe you are the best person for the job, so if you take actions which are widely or universally regarded as unethical / wrong in order to achieve ends which are only your personal view, there is clearly a disparity there. Sorry if that last bit didn't make sense, I am tired.

Also I just thought I'd add in that Jackson Fan played the race card many times in this election (don't tell me he didn't; you weren't at PNR to hear him say "I'm the only Asian candidate running" to every Asian student that walked past), so it comes from all sides of the House. And I still lean towards the view that "vote for me because I'm an engineer" is also playing the oppressed minority card.

Oh and withoutaface, about full fee-paying places:
- what I said was no increases in full fee-paying places, not no full fee-paying places altogether. There will be no less revenue than there is now.
- however, if we did need more funding, we could receive it from a Government with a commitment to a strong public education system rather than one who would prefer to privatise as much as possible.

 

[withoutaface]

"The ends justify the means" is not a particularly widely-accepted ethical standpoint. It is only you (and your followers, should they exist) who believe you are the best person for the job, so if you take actions which are widely or universally regarded as unethical / wrong in order to achieve ends which are only your personal view, there is clearly a disparity there. Sorry if that last bit didn't make sense, I am tired.

Also I just thought I'd add in that Jackson Fan played the race card many times in this election (don't tell me he didn't; you weren't at PNR to hear him say "I'm the only Asian candidate running" to every Asian student that walked past), so it comes from all sides of the House. And I still lean towards the view that "vote for me because I'm an engineer" is also playing the oppressed minority card.

Oh and withoutaface, about full fee-paying places:
- what I said was no increases in full fee-paying places, not no full fee-paying places altogether. There will be no less revenue than there is now.
- however, if we did need more funding, we could receive it from a Government with a commitment to a strong public education system rather than one who would prefer to privatise as much as possible.

Oh ok, sorry must've misread it.

Yes I agree that Jackson's race line was incredibly dodgy, and I'm not condoning such actions, even if I understand why they were taken (the only time I saw them was after the engineering polling booths had closed a lot earlier than the other ones, which imo, along with telling Charles Pettrotet that there was no prepolling when it turned out there was, was a deliberate attempt to sabotage the vote).

 

[Phanatical]

I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Jackson Fan. I'm sure I will soon enough though, because I have extensive dealings with the Union.

I realise very well the difficulties that Engineering students face, because Music students face the same thing. What most students don't know is that it's not just the Music students based at the Greenway facility who are disadvantaged - but also the Music students based at our Arts Music facility at the Seymour Centre. I wonder if even the Engineers know that Music is right in the middle of the Engineering faculty. It's quite possible that Music students are the Most disadvantaged of any faculty in the university.

 

[Plebeian]

A lot of the booths closed earlier than the main ones at Manning/Wentworth/Fisher. This was always planned, and I imagine it happens every year (I can't be certain).

The times were published beforehand in all the different sources (website, Bull, Candidature, possibly Honi)

Manning House: 08.30 – 19.00
Holme Foyer: 10.00 – 15.00
Wentworth L3: 08.30 – 17.00
Wentworth L2: 17.00 – 19.00
Fisher Library: 08.30 – 19.00
PNR: 10.00 – 15.30
Law School: 11.30 – 15.30
Conservatorium Café (Downstairs): 11.30 – 14.30
Nursing: 10.30 – 14.30

You see that a lot of the less central locations are operated for shorter hours. I don't think they were deliberately trying to sabotage Engineering.

 

[Phanatical]

Nobody at the Con even knew of the booth. We don't get the Bull, we don't get the Honi, and nobody visits the website because it's crap.

 

[Plebeian]

Nobody at the Con even knew of the booth. We don't get the Bull, we don't get the Honi, and nobody visits the website because it's crap.

You have nobody but yourselves to blame. It took me all of 5 seconds to find those polling booth times from the website, it's not like it's terribly designed (it could be better, but it's perfectly functional). You yourself have also admitted in the past that Honi is sent to the Con, but simply that nobody bothers to read it. The information was there if you guys wanted to find it; it's your own apathy that meant no-one knew about the booth, not the fact that the Union/SRC is withholding information from you.

 

[withoutaface]

A lot of the booths closed earlier than the main ones at Manning/Wentworth/Fisher. This was always planned, and I imagine it happens every year (I can't be certain).

The times were published beforehand in all the different sources (website, Bull, Candidature, possibly Honi)

Manning House: 08.30 – 19.00
Holme Foyer: 10.00 – 15.00
Wentworth L3: 08.30 – 17.00
Wentworth L2: 17.00 – 19.00
Fisher Library: 08.30 – 19.00
PNR: 10.00 – 15.30
Law School: 11.30 – 15.30
Conservatorium Café (Downstairs): 11.30 – 14.30
Nursing: 10.30 – 14.30

You see that a lot of the less central locations are operated for shorter hours. I don't think they were deliberately trying to sabotage Engineering.

Well when they know that one candidate has almost their entire voting base near one booth and close it early, and they know that this candidate is always the best at organising prepolling, then tell one of the people in charge of his campaign that there will be no prepolling, then present some prepoll results on the count night, one would be forgiven for thinking that it was an attempt at sabotage.

 

[Plebeian]

The prepolling mistake is unforgivable. The Union is atm largely controlled by the Right though so I'm not sure why they'd be trying to sabotage Liberal campaigns.

What I was saying about PNR is that it closed early in line with every other non-central location. The Union does not have an obligation to set up polling booths everywhere, one could reasonably contend that inside each Union building is all that's required, considering these are spread around the campus. Having an additional booth at PNR is an attempt at increasing fairness, not decreasing it. If PNR stayed open all day, like the centralised booths, then you would have to open every booth all day (eg. the ones in the Law School, Nursing and the Con) because otherwise you'd be unfairly advantaging the 'Engineering' candidate above, say, the Law or Music candidates.

 

[Phanatical]

Union is controlled by Labor Right. Not the Liberals. They will support Labor Left before the Liberals any day.

 

[jpr333]

Liberal/Labor, liberal/conservative, left/right all independant terms How confusing heh.

 

[Phanatical]

You get used to it after a while.