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[Aryanbeauty]

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What's wrong with being a communist? I'm a communist.
Communism is ideological and utopian and if communism was done properly (without corruption) the world would be a better place. How can we accept that even the richest nation in the world (the U.S.A) has 24,000,000 people living below the internationally recognised POVERTY levels? Communism FTW! [for the win]

Apparently they chose to live in poverty. If an illegal mexican migrant can send 1000 $ a month to his family backhome in mexico and pay his own living expense there is enough jobs and opportunities for every poor and unemployed American. Very similar in australia where people prefer to live in poverty and get welfare from gov't despite unquenchable demand of labour in australia .

 

[banco55]

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What's wrong with being a communist? I'm a communist.
Communism is ideological and utopian and if communism was done properly (without corruption) the world would be a better place. How can we accept that even the richest nation in the world (the U.S.A) has 24,000,000 people living below the internationally recognised POVERTY levels? Communism FTW! [for the win]

The corruption isn't the major issue. The major issue is that the structure of the communist economic system produces bad outcomes. Why do you think China suddenly started growing economically when they junked the communist crap?

 

[The Logical One]

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Apparently they chose to live in poverty. If an illegal mexican migrant can send 1000 $ a month to his family backhome in mexico and pay his own living expense there is enough jobs and opportunities for every poor and unemployed American. Very similar in australia where people prefer to live in poverty and get welfare from gov't despite unquenchable demand of labour in australia .

It isn't only the mexicans, I think that somebody has mentioned the "Black Belt" of poverty in the south-eastern states of America. It is quite difficult to get a job in these areas with high population and very competetive workplaces. People in the upper scale have more oppurtunities and get the education, which leads to the jobs and the promotions. Whereas, others may have to live of welfare or work two jobs to be able to adequately provide for their families.

If you can't prove a theory works in practise, then what basis do you have to back up such a failure of an ideology? You cannot assume that it could work "if communism was done properly".

Communism isn't only about economics. It can easily work in a country which meets certain conditions. eg(It would work in Saudi Arabia and New Zealand).

 

[HotShot]

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The corruption isn't the major issue. The major issue is that the structure of the communist economic system produces bad outcomes. Why do you think China suddenly started growing economically when they junked the communist crap?

thats actually more to do with political factors - especially with American propaganda during the cold war - COmmunism is evil and Capitalism is gud (but communism was never evil). Americans feared that communism was more efficient method and at the time it was to some extent - so the americans begain mass propaganda and scared everyone to bits that it was evil - and thus there was no faith in the communist structure.

thus all capitalist nations would have had negative policies towards communist nations and thus would present less oppurtinities for communists nations to expand and also because more countries were capitalist thanks american influence.

communism has never till this time been practised. Russia went trough leninsm and stalinism and never really communism - although they thought they did they never really followed its principles. the same applies to china it was call maoism. They took the bits that they could apply from marxism (which is true communism) instead of it applying it in full. If they did apply it in full communism would have worked.

 

[littlewing69]

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What's wrong with being a communist? I'm a communist.
Communism is ideological and utopian and if communism was done properly (without corruption) the world would be a better place. How can we accept that even the richest nation in the world (the U.S.A) has 24,000,000 people living below the internationally recognised POVERTY levels? Communism FTW! [for the win]

Communism is so very twentieth century.

 

[withoutaface]

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What's wrong with being a communist? I'm a communist.
Communism is ideological and utopian and if communism was done properly (without corruption) the world would be a better place. How can we accept that even the richest nation in the world (the U.S.A) has 24,000,000 people living below the internationally recognised POVERTY levels? Communism FTW! [for the win]

1. Communism is based on a system of theft.
2. Communism denies consumer choice.
3. Communism is counter to free speech.
4. Under communism, taxes are phenomenally high.
5. Communism ignores the fact that people work hardest when working for themselves.
6. Communism causes innovation to stagnate.
7. Communism causes prices to skyrocket because of massive amounts of wastage.
8. Communists don't shower.
9. Over 100 million deaths in the last century can be directly attributed to democide committed by communist governments.
And finally, perhaps most importantly:
10. Communism doesn't work.

Note also that a very substantial chunk of that 24 million are below the poverty line either because they choose not to work, or because they've been fucked over by the fact that the US economy is a mixed one (i.e. combination of both capitalist and socialist policies). If we want to compare, find me figures on the percentage of the population of China under Mao who were under the poverty line, or Russians under Stalin.

 

[Comrade nathan]

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Chavez is not a communist.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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It isn't only the mexicans, I think that somebody has mentioned the "Black Belt" of poverty in the south-eastern states of America. It is quite difficult to get a job in these areas with high population and very competetive workplaces.

Those are the areas where most illegal mexican migrants settle and find jobs, especially in florida! If it is difficult to get a job then why not move to a place where jobs are easy to find? If a mexican risked his life to cross border and able to live his american dream so should a poor black man from alabama, only if he tried harder.

communism has never till this time been practised. Russia went trough leninsm and stalinism and never really communism - although they thought they did they never really followed its principles. the same applies to china it was call maoism. They took the bits that they could apply from marxism (which is true communism) instead of it applying it in full. If they did apply it in full communism would have worked.
Would have worked? Wishful thinking!
So Poland, East germany, USSR, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Albania and china all practised the wrong form of communism? Oh yeah tell them to try the true communism again lets see how they react! The truth is communism is bad, its interpretation by different leaders are conflicting and ambiguous. There is no such definitive set of rules, such as whether marxism allows religion or not. It is subject to interpretation and I really doubt that you can do better than those qualified eastern European economist who did their best in interpreting and applying marxism in Eastern Europe, which despite all their attemp was a total failure.

the americans begain mass propaganda and scared everyone to bits that it was evil - and thus there was no faith in the communist structure.

Any economic policy which cause mass starvation and death of more than 5 to 40 million citizens is evil , regardless of the goal or achievements. If your citizens fled your country in millions every year it really means something is wrong with your country, and there is something to fear. Americans were right in their fear of communism.

 

[ZabZu]

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Apparently they chose to live in poverty.

In the US the minimum wage is less than $6 (US dollars) an hour. Unskilled workers who work full time still live in poverty due to the low wage rates and many work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. These people are known as the working poor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_poor

Also, very expensive tertiary education in the US makes it very difficult to escape the poverty cycle.

 

[HotShot]

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In the US the minimum wage is less than $6 (US dollars) an hour. Unskilled workers who work full time still live in poverty due to the low wage rates and many work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. These people are known as the working poor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_poor

Also, very expensive tertiary education in the US makes it very difficult to escape the poverty cycle.

yeah not to mentions the way black people are treated over there.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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In the US the minimum wage is less than $6 (US dollars) an hour. Unskilled workers who work full time still live in poverty due to the low wage rates and many work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. These people are known as the working poor.

The working poor in america lives better living standard than the middle class in Asia or Africa. They are poor in american standard but rich if you compared to those poor in asia and africa.

yeah not to mentions the way black people are treated over there.

Yeah thats why they gave unwanted jobs like the post of Secretary of State to Condolezza Rice!

 

[Generator]

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In the US the minimum wage is less than $6 (US dollars) an hour. Unskilled workers who work full time still live in poverty due to the low wage rates and many work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by. These people are known as the working poor.

The working poor in america lives better living standard than the middle class in Asia or Africa. They are poor in american standard but rich if you compared to those poor in asia and africa.

That's a tall claim, Aryanbeauty, and in any case the situation of one group or an individual does not excuse the situation of another - it may put it into perspective, yes, but that's about it.

yeah not to mentions the way black people are treated over there.

Yeah thats why they gave unwanted jobs like the post of Secretary of State to Condolezza Rice!

Though I don't think that Rice's appointment was tokenistic, I think that it would still be best to say that symbolic gestures are just that, symbolic gestures - just because a person from a particular minority holds a particular position isn't to say that the minority as a whole is on an equal footing with the majority (or on an equal footing with the group that tends to hold such positions).

 

[withoutaface]

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Though I don't think that Rice's appointment was tokenistic, I think that it would still be best to say that symbolic gestures are just that, symbolic gestures - just because a person from a particular minority holds a particular position isn't to say that the minority as a whole is on an equal footing with the majority (or on an equal footing with the group that tends to hold such positions).

It does help to dispel myths of an absolute glass ceiling, though.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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the working poor in USA made average income of US $18800 or AU$ 25000 compared to middle class income in India and China US$ 4000-8000.

 

[Generator]

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the working poor in USA made average income of US $18800 or AU$ 25000 compared to middle class income in India and China US$ 4000-8000.

There's little point in comparing absolute figures when it's the relative amount that matters, Aryan (i.e., there's no real point in comparing an absolute amount when it's cheaper to live in one country than in another).

 

[HotShot]

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the working poor in USA made average income of US $18800 or AU$ 25000 compared to middle class income in India and China US$ 4000-8000.

that doesnt mean anything... like this for eg.

1. person has a salary of 500 thousand
2. another person has salary of 2 thousand
3. another peerson has a salary of 10 thousand

the average is: 170666.67 yet only the number 1 person has income higher than this, whilst the other two are nowwhere near.

if u understand economics - u would know that the gdp + average etc. alone are not indicators of a good economic society. U might say there are more poor people in india, but i could say in total there less rich in people in India as well which kind balances it out.

Has there ever been a black president? how many black senators are there? has there every been an red-indian president...

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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Has there ever been a black president? how many black senators are there? has there every been an red-indian president...

Not enough educated indigenous persons to have any realistic odds of becoming president...and why is it that politics is seen as the pinnacle of society...maybe blacks and indians have sense enough to stay away
There are black doctors and lawyers and aid workers and police officers and ambulance drivers...

 

[banco55]

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that doesnt mean anything... like this for eg.

1. person has a salary of 500 thousand
2. another person has salary of 2 thousand
3. another peerson has a salary of 10 thousand

the average is: 170666.67 yet only the number 1 person has income higher than this, whilst the other two are nowwhere near.

if u understand economics - u would know that the gdp + average etc. alone are not indicators of a good economic society. U might say there are more poor people in india, but i could say in total there less rich in people in India as well which kind balances it out.

Has there ever been a black president? how many black senators are there? has there every been an red-indian president...

But even the poor in the US have a higher standard of living than those in the indian middle class.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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But even the poor in the US have a higher standard of living than those in the indian middle class.

I don't think so. They may have less money, translated into American dollars, but their living costs are less.

 

[The Logical One]

But even the poor in the US have a higher standard of living than those in the indian middle class.

I disagree with this statement and i'll explain why.
In the U.S the cost of rent in any decent area (which isn't project-housing or low property value caused by danger and theft) is about $600 USD a month. Now, with this extremely high price included with utility bills and food how much would be needed yearly to maintain these necessities?

Housing $600 x 12 = $7,200
Electricity $170 x 4 = $680
Phone $30 x 12 = $360
Gas/Hot Water(elec) = $150 x 4 = $600

That alone not including Food or size of the family comes to $8,840 (that's barely right I made many mistakes but still the other problems arise.)

Then when somebody has an accident and needs medical coverage what do they do? Medicate doesn't cover or illnesses or doctors expenses and is only admissible in the very low serviced public hospitals which are overflowed by demand.

When of the American working population there is easily 15,000,000 people who are earning less than $14,000 USD annually looking at basic expenses not including clothing and other things. It seriously lowers the true standard of living to a degree which is below internationally accepted poverty. This country having the HIGHEST GDP and being the richest nation in the world. Thanks, capitalist country.

Not enough educated indigenous persons to have any realistic odds of becoming president...

HA! That's a laugh. The president of the United States is more or less a dim-wit who can't string a proper sentence together. He may seem to have good character at times to you, but he certainly doesn't posess any intelligence. This proves that the only reason why there hasn't been a black president is because there hasn't been enough funding and such for a black president. George W. Bush had oil money which he used to launch his campaign, an honest Black politician has about 2% of the ammount of money bush had coming in. Who do you think would win the election?