War with Iran close, and US forces likely already on the ground- USAF Colonel (ret.) (1 Viewer)

[ElendilPeredhil]

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In america if you have brains and drive you are not going to wind up working two jobs to feed your family in the medium-term. Remember you have to be 35 + to run for president. If by the time they are 35 they haven't been able to get a good job than they are probably not up to the presidency. The people who work two jobs for the most part are the ones who didn't go to college and I can't see them electing anyone without a college degree. Bill Clinton was from a white trash background don't forget.

I haven't forgotten. I simply don't think its easy to dismiss the millions americans living below the povety as lacking brains. It's not that easy to work your way up from the lower classes.

Bill Clinton...I don't know a lot about him. Just that he cheated on his wife, and for some stupid reason that was a reason to get rid of him.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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You didn't even reply to my comments. My post was about the problem of comparing Socialist countries to Capitalist nations, which you continued to do in your reply. I mention that there is poverty in Cuba, and you do the same. Then state they are the poorest in the world with no statistics. What can I do if you regurgitate a common anti-communist which I already argued against.

It is not difficult to compare socialist with capitalist countries, just compare Cuba with its neighbours such as the Bahamas, Aruba, Dominican Republic etc. It is an area with unrivalled oportunities for tourism. If cuba was not ruled by a communist dictator its is in a position to have a developed country status like the Bahamas. It produce sugar and cofee with huge market in the USA. Only with capitalism will they become developed as they will have access to international market. The recent growth in Cuban economy was because they introduce limited market capitalism. Socialism did not help anyone except the rulers wherever it was introduced.

Your average poor man off the street, working two jobs to feed his family cannot become president. They can’t afford the advertising, or even the time off work necessary to campaign for the presidency

Neither in Australia nor anyother country! A brick layer from Blacktown have just as little chance of becoming the Prime Minister of Australia. Why complain about the poor people's plight in USA while people in Australia have exactly the same difficulty and little hope in politics or social life? Why is it always Geroge Bush fault ? I saw on TV an australian teens addicted to cellphones running up $17000 debt is that also American or George Bush's fault too?

It is amazing that these same people who critisize US policy in overthrowing Saddam or potential war with Iran are the same people who critisize US for NOT interfering in Rwanda and Congo. Sometime they critisize USA for interfering, sometime they critisize for not interfering. No wonder US ignored habitual critics who have nothing to offer but whine!

 

[HotShot]

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Neither in Australia nor anyother country! A brick layer from Blacktown have just as little chance of becoming the Prime Minister of Australia. Why complain about the poor people's plight in USA while people in Australia have exactly the same difficulty and little hope in politics or social life?[/FONT] Why is it always Geroge Bush fault ? I saw on TV an australian teens addicted to cellphones running up $17000 debt is that also American or George Bush's fault too?

A poor person has a better chance of becoming a prime minister in Australia than in America. In Australia you work your way up rather than 'paying' your up.


It is Bush's fault because he is the President of USA and thus holds the responsibility of his country and any impact that USA has on any other country would be his fault. Its his fault for the shit going in iraq and iran and its his fault for the increasing number of terrrosits in the world.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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Your average poor man off the street, working two jobs to feed his family cannot become president. They can’t afford the advertising, or even the time off work necessary to campaign for the presidency

Neither in Australia nor anyother country! A brick layer from Blacktown have just as little chance of becoming the Prime Minister of Australia. Why complain about the poor people's plight in USA while people in Australia have exactly the same difficulty and little hope in politics or social life? Why is it always Geroge Bush fault ? I saw on TV an australian teens addicted to cellphones running up $17000 debt is that also American or George Bush's fault too?

It is amazing that these same people who critisize US policy in overthrowing Saddam or potential war with Iran are the same people who critisize US for NOT interfering in Rwanda and Congo. Sometime they critisize USA for interfering, sometime they critisize for not interfering. No wonder US ignored habitual critics who have nothing to offer but whine!

Yes, people have been known to hold two different opinions about two different situations in the world.
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Well mostly because we are talking about America, not Australia. You want to complain about the Australian political system, make a new thread.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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Yes, people have been known to hold two different opinions about two different situations in the world.
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Well mostly because we are talking about America, not Australia. You want to complain about the Australian political system, make a new thread.

if you have exactly the same shitty situation in australia or anywhere else there is no point in calling kettle black if you are a pot, because you are just as black as a kettle and no one will take you seriously unless you can make an example of other countries which are better than usa.

USA is bad bla bla bla Nicole Kidman or every prominent australian went to work and live there and many australian are dying to work and live there. you just sound jealous of a country better than yours.

HotShot"A poor person has a better chance of becoming a prime minister in Australia than in America. In Australia you work your way up rather than 'paying' your up."

Any proof of a poor australian who have worked his way up to the post of Prime Minister of Australia? In USA there are plenty of examples such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton (son of travelling salesman), Ronald Reagan( son of shoe salesman and alcoholic), Nixon (son of a grocer) just to name a few or recent ones except Abraham Lincoln. Ok where is your proof that a poor australian who made it to Prime Ministership or even a Premier of state? Or are you just pulling assumption out of ur arse as usual?

It is Bush's fault because he is the President of USA and thus holds the responsibility of his country and any impact that USA has on any other country would be his fault. Its his fault for the shit going in iraq and iran and its his fault for the increasing number of terrrosits in the world.

If he is going to bear responsibility for the whole world then you may as well accept him as sovereign of your country.​

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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if you have exactly the same shitty situation in australia or anywhere else there is no point in calling kettle black if you are a pot, because you are just as black as a kettle and no one will take you seriously unless you can make an example of other countries which are better than usa.

USA is bad bla bla bla Nicole Kidman or every prominent australian went to work and live there and many australian are dying to work and live there. you just sound jealous of a country better than yours.

I know, Australia bad too. Everywhere bad. But, we are talking about the US. Just get over it. Get off your bandwagon and either accept that the premise of this thread revolves around the US, or make a new thread bagging Australia and I'll talk with you there.

Yes, our actors and singers flee to America when they become succesful. What a powerful argument that America is better than us! God knows the world wouldn't be the same place without Nicole Kidman. The fact that they go to America and get rich off the American public isn't really an argument against the 'badness' of America, to me. A lot of our intellectuals actually go to Asia, to China and Japan. Does that mean that China is better than the US?

As for being jealous of a country better than mine...please. Are we in kindergarten? Does everything have to revolve around 'my country is better than yours'?

Better is subjective. It seems a little strange to have an Australian such as yourself believing that America is a better country than ours but you do have the right to believe what you want, that's one of the privileges you have as an Australian.

 

[HotShot]

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Better is subjective. It seems a little strange to have an Australian such as yourself believing that America is a better country than ours but you do have the right to believe what you want, that's one of the privileges you have as an Australian.

He isnt australian, HE IS AN AMERICAN JEW!!!!!!.

Howard grew up in Earlwood, a suburb of Sydney, where he attended Earlwood Public School. His father, Lyell Howard and his paternal grandfather, Walter Howard, were both veterans of the First AIF in World War I. They later ran a petrol station and mechanical workshop in Dulwich Hill, where John Howard worked as a boy. They also controlled significant land interests in Papua New Guinea which had been granted to his family as a result of service in World War II. Lyell Howard died during John's teenage years, leaving his mother to take care of John (or "Jack" as he was known in the family) and his three brothers.

John Howard suffered from a hearing impairment in his youth,[1] and this has left him with a slight speech impediment, something that he shares with namesake Winston Churchill.

John undertook his secondary education at the publicly funded Canterbury Boys' High School, a state school. In his final year at the school he took part in a radio show hosted by Jack Davey, Give It a Go broadcast on the commercial radio station, 2GB. A recording of the show survives[2] and in it Howard demonstrates an early ability to think quickly on his feet trading unscripted humour with the experienced compere and delighting the audience. After gaining his Leaving Certificate, he studied law at the University of Sydney. Howard joined the Liberal Party in 1957.

Why our very own Prime minister didnt have a rich background!. He became rich after he was sucessful - which is not the point. the point is the in america if you are rich you can easily become the president of USA. Salesman could be rich?

Paul Keating is another one:
Keating grew up in Bankstown, a working-class suburb of Sydney. He was one of four children of Matthew Keating, a boilermaker and trade union representative of Irish-Catholic descent, and his wife, Minnie.

Keating was educated at Catholic schools; he was the first practising Catholic Labor Prime Minister since James Scullin left office in 1932. Leaving De La Salle College at 15, Keating worked as a clerk and then as a research assistant for a trade union. He joined the Labor Party as soon as he was eligible.

AS for the source - it was my own work, i typed it myself. I am researched it and did the typing. ( GO and prove me wrong :burn: )

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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He isnt australian, HE IS AN AMERICAN JEW!!!!!! _ THE WORST KIND = LOL.



Why our very own Prime minister didnt have a rich background!. He became rich after he was sucessful - which is not the point. the point is the in america if you are rich you can easily become the president of USA. Salesman could be rich?



AS for the source - it was my own work, i typed it myself. I am researched it and did the typing. ( GO and prove me wrong :burn: )

I never said nor mentioned my nationality nor race, talking about the worse you probably are a refugee migrant from some islamic country who escape persecution yet bite the hands of the ones who feeds you at every chance you have calling aussie girls sluts and such. Okay thats my opinion of you just as your opinion of me claiming I am an american jew!

You forgot to mention Malcol Frasier a son of wealthy grazier and Bob hawke whose uncle was premier of Western Australia, Whitlam, son of Solicitor general, William MC mahon, son of a Lawyer and the list goes on. I must say it is easy for rich people to become Prime Minister of Australia even John Howard's background if FAR from poor considering your definition of rich.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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I never said nor mentioned my nationality nor race, talking about the worse you probably are a refugee migrant from some islamic country who escape persecution yet bite the hands of the ones who feeds you at every chance you have calling aussie girls sluts and such. Okay thats my opinion of you just as your opinion of me claiming I am an american jew!

It's an easy mistake to make, considering your avatar.
I didn't realise that 'american jew' was such a slur that you would need to reply like that, so offensively to Hotshot.
You react like there is something wrong with being called a Jew.

 

[HotShot]

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I never said nor mentioned my nationality nor race, talking about the worse you probably are a refugee migrant from some islamic country who escape persecution yet bite the hands of the ones who feeds you at every chance you have calling aussie girls sluts and such. Okay thats my opinion of you just as your opinion of me claiming I am an american jew!

You forgot to mention Malcol Frasier a son of wealthy grazier and Bob hawke whose uncle was premier of Western Australia, Whitlam, son of Solicitor general, William MC mahon, son of a Lawyer and the list goes on. I must say it is easy for rich people to become Prime Minister of Australia even John Howard's background if FAR from poor considering your definition of rich.

actually you did say that were a jew and that you were american - or maybe pro-american - but to be honest i dont care its a forum.

now its not easy.. the only reason those people became presidents was that at the time -one status was important and secondly they were very highly educated.

Any proof of a poor australian who have worked his way up to the post of Prime Minister of Australia?

U asked and i answered. John Howard went to a public school, most rich people go to a private school, once again it is more difficult for a poor person america to be president but in Australia every has equal oppurtinity.

Okay thats my opinion of you just as your opinion of me claiming I am an american jew!

...get a life man i just said that ur a american jew ...and u waste a whole paragraph me. lol.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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John Howard was never poor from your definition of rich, in fact he was well off having family business and as a solicitor, compared to Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan who worked their way from the bottom to the top. So far your claim did not bring you nowhere, John Howard nor any australian Prime Minister were never poor in their life. And your claim that it is easy for rich people to become President is not proved either since a trailer trash kid Bill Clinton beat Ross Perot, a billiionaire in Presidential election.

Well if you are one of the most despised and hated group of people in the world you better not call other people worse unless you have proof.

 

[ur_inner_child]

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actually you did say that were a jew and that you were american - or maybe pro-american - but to be honest i dont care its a forum.

...get a life man i just said that ur a american jew (and then said worst kind lol).. and u waste a whole paragraph me. lol.

Which was absolutely uncalled for. Yes there is nothing wrong with calling someone an american jew if that is their background (I personally prefer jewish-american, but hey, that's me) but saying that is the worst kind is absolutely inappropriate.

It's just a forum yes but if you intend to stay, you stay within its rules.

Please take the time to review them

 

[HotShot]

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Which was absolutely uncalled for. Yes there is nothing wrong with calling someone an american jew if that is their background (I personally prefer jewish-american, but hey, that's me) but saying that is the worst kind is absolutely inappropriate.

It's just a forum yes but if you intend to stay, you stay within its rules.

Please take the time to review them

How is "worst kind" - inappropriate - it was only matter personal opinion. if you dont agree with it - so be it. But just because one or two people dont agree with it doesnt meant that i cant express my views.

with a guy like aryanbeauty - i think it pretty much is true.

1. Members may not engage in discourse which is highly offensive.

2. "Highly offensive" means:

(a) racist in nature, or - it was not rascist
(b) maliciously or excessively sexist, or - it was not sexist
(c) excessively rude, being very insulting to a reasonable person of ordinary sensibilities. - aryanbeauty does not have 'ordinary' senses.

3. A post will not be offensive if it is clear that a reasonable person of ordinary sensibilities would consider that, in the context of the thread and surrounding posts, the rudeness was intended playfully.
- it was intended as a joke - but hey aryanbeauty took it in a offensive manner..
4. Posts do not have to be politically correct.
- i am hardly ever politically corret anway
5. It is not a defence to this section that the comments made in an offensive post were the result of religious beliefs. - ..

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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I know you and your kind hate me because I am brutally honest in my approach to topics concerning terrorists, the middle east and america but hey, I backed up my facts with sources unlike you and I never claimed assumption as facts. Who is more sensible here ? of course me

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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I know you and your kind hate me because I am brutally honest in my approach to topics concerning terrorists, the middle east and america but hey, I backed up my facts with sources unlike you and I never claimed assumption as facts. Who is more sensible here ? of course me

who is 'you are your kind'?

 

[HotShot]

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I know you and your kind hate me because I am brutally honest in my approach to topics concerning terrorists, the middle east and america but hey, I backed up my facts with sources unlike you and I never claimed assumption as facts. Who is more sensible here ? of course me

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You havent backed up all of your claims by sources, and those that you have backed up with are merely selective sources that are biased.

Till now i have not made assumptions merely opinions.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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You havent backed up all of your claims by sources, and those that you have backed up with are merely selective sources that are biased.

Till now i have not made assumptions merely opinions.

Oh really , most of the sources I put up are from britannica, Wikipedia, BBC, CNN, NY Times, AP, AFP, Reuters and various australian newspaper. Biased against what? If those sources are biased against you and your kind then you must be wrong! Cause they are the same news source as newspapers and tv channels around the world, especially reuters, AP and AFP.:wave: