Where do you stand? (3 Viewers)

[loquasagacious]

Wow...you need some work. Conservatism is now tied neoliberal economics...neo liberal economics is blamed for causing racism and Hanson. So while you like howard his neoliberal economic policies generally alienate white folk like you who don't understand neoliberal economics and how it might hurt them/you. You then blame immigrants and non whites for taking your jobs and invading your country...and how its unfair that ATSI get welfare blah blah etc etc.

...you then vote for the Howard government and support them because they have conservative values.

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Also conservatism (as in the nationalistic sense) is kinda out of kilter with mordern economics. Certainly conservative heros like Menzies who has values like you certainly didn't like modern market economies.

To political compass it up abit. I'd say that the socially conservative aspect of the liberals appeals but the neo-liberal economics don't. In fact AM probably favours Keynsian economics which barely rates a mention these days (outside of [communist] Political Economy majors at USYD).

 

[Liberal Scum]

No actually, i'm left in this area. I don't complain about people taking our jobs, because if they get the job then they are able and willing to work.. (At least they are working?) just like i don't have a problem with mexicans invading america from the south.

I only have a problem with minorities who have strong oppressive tendancies and who present a genuine threat.

Just answer this and i will be happy for the night; how can any white australian, be happy with giving aboriginals land rights? What is the energising force behind these morons?

Strongly oppressive how? Like terrorism oppressive (eg the way much of Islam is portrayed) or economically oppressive (eg the way the Jews were portrayed in Nazi Germany, due to owning banks and such)?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Just answer this and i will be happy for the night; how can any white australian, be happy with giving aboriginals land rights? What is the energising force behind these morons?

Do you mean be happy with the current situation of aboriginal land rights?

 

[Armani]

This world is not made of absolutes. It's not whites on one side and coloured on the other. This isn't just about white Australia.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Which policy from the greens do you favour?
Personally, from reading what you have written in the past, I believe you are a nazi fascist.

I know this is usually simply an insult thrown around by people on forums, but looking at your views on various things this is the conclusion i've come to.

 

[erawamai]

i'm not a neo-liberal.

I really don't know what i am. (I'm so sad lol).

I like a mixture of policies from the greens, one nation, (not labor atm because they are a dead-stuffed-animal) the liberals.. and they are all contrasting?

Really you are just an old conservstive. You are like that old ranting 70 year old at the pub except many times younger. IMO.

Economic left even though you hate socialists and stauchly conservative and nationalist in the old fashion racist way.

 

[chubbaraff]

I think NTB has definately moved to the left, You are a wet wet Liberal. I dont think the right in this thread give themselves anycredibility, when for example Liberal Scum's footer, links to a site that describes the "terrorist threat" as "Islamo-fascism." What bullshit is that?

I was flirting with totalitarian communist ideology in year 8, had rejected it for democratic socialism by yr 10 and drifted further right through 11 and 12 and now at uni upon beig exposed on the one hand to the left and on the other neo-liberal economics I have largely fallen under its sway.

I wish I cared about "The dictatorship of the proletariat" in year 8, I take it it wasnt a thought out position?

I dont think ive ever mentioned it before, but I do think the very nature of this forum means that we can tend to be very aggressive towards our ideological oponents, for the record. If i met any of you Young Liberals somewhere, we'd probably get along and your all probably pretty nice people, just on a random note.

Sorry about the lameness of this post, but I got heavily confused by this thread, i got very confused about peoples positions, Mathmite is here talking about socialism, and all the other dudes who i thought were lefties are talking about neo-liberalism... and like... "the need to not even stir" WTF!!! I really can't wait to dich all my high school maths and science for some institutionalised and prioritised political study... Maybe there is a reason for a lack of right wing intelligent idealists at uni?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Economic left even though you hate socialists and stauchly conservative and nationalist in the old fashion racist way.

That's why I think he's a Nazi Fascist. You just have to look at his views on free speech, his racism, his nationalism etc etc

To me the views he expouses are the same as those of fascist nazi's in 1930's germany

 

[loquasagacious]

AM you are a social conservative and economically liberal but overshadowed by a touch of xenophobia and a lack of exposure to rigorous political discourse.

As far as why give aboriginals land rights?

In what context, the current arrangements or the proposed ones? In favour of the proposed is simple it is designed to help foster a culture of individualism and pride in aboriginal communities. For instance when you own something (and can sell it) you are far more likely to upgrade it than if you dont. eg not too many renters engage in home renovations.

Also the flip side is if they sell up then they are almost forced to come to the city where it is much easier/cheaper for the govt to assist them and there are more jobs around. Infact the proceeds from the land sale could potentially provide the startup capital for a move to the city.

 

[Liberal Scum]

I think NTB has definately moved to the left, You are a wet wet Liberal. I dont think the right in this thread give themselves anycredibility, when for example Liberal Scum's footer, links to a site that describes the "terrorist threat" as "Islamo-fascism." What bullshit is that?



I wish I cared about "The dictatorship of the proletariat" in year 8, I take it it wasnt a thought out position?

I dont think ive ever mentioned it before, but I do think the very nature of this forum means that we can tend to be very aggressive towards our ideological oponents, for the record. If i met any of you Young Liberals somewhere, we'd probably get along and your all probably pretty nice people, just on a random note.

Sorry about the lameness of this post, but I got heavily confused by this thread, i got very confused about peoples positions, Mathmite is here talking about socialism, and all the other dudes who i thought were lefties are talking about neo-liberalism... and like... "the need to not even stir" WTF!!! I really can't wait to dich all my high school maths and science for some institutionalised and prioritised political study... Maybe there is a reason for a lack of right wing intelligent idealists at uni?

I think the dont even stir was sarcasm.

 

[chubbaraff]

Why Give Aboriginal People Land Rights?

Heres a better question, reasons to not have supported the TEN POINT PLAN and the NATIVE TITLE AMMENDMENT ACT (1996)

Land for claim is crown land that no one uses (would you give a guy you stole of your rubbish?).

And I really cannot go past the spiritual arguments for it, I am totally convinced by the cause of Christians who now advocate that mining and development on Aboriginal land has been a gross direspect to the culture and custom, allowing land right (scrap land) is the least we can do dont you think, in times of STRONG ECONOMY.

 

[loquasagacious]

@Chubaraff, it was fairly well thought out by year 9 I had waded through all three volumes of Das Kapital. However the key was that at that age I was a big believer in a big state, dismissed off hand the right and only read hard left material on the subject. It was also that the arguments against were pretty weak commerce for instance provided a very very easily dismissed counter point.

Thinking about it abit more AM is probably Keynsian as far as economics go. Fairly into big economically interventionist government. eg Western governance in the 50s/60s. Big on protectionism and controls. This even ties in nicely with his nationalism.

 

[Armani]

Doesn't protectionism go against free trade?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I imagine mathmite is anti-free trade, believing that we can produce most of what we need in australia and need to stop importing from overseas.

 

[loquasagacious]

Yes. I think that in general terms because of nationalist desires for an extent of autarky AM supports some degree of protectionism.

 

[chubbaraff]

Does AM actually belong to National Action or Patriotic Youth League? Thats impressive, you read Das Kapital in Year 9 * Claps *!!! In many instances my lack of a coherent reading schedule is my downfall.

 

[Armani]

Even if we were a self-sustainable country would that not increase inflation?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Hillarious, the google ad for this thread is to www.myliberal.com

 

[loquasagacious]

It would certainly not be efficient as whilst a country can have an absoluute advantage in all goods by definition they cannot hold a comparitive advantage.

I've been cramming for an international relations exam so I'm abit hazy on the economics but I don't think it would be necasserily inflationary. It would certainly lower living standards and growth though.

As far as reading Das Kapital, it took along time and honestly in year 9 I had that sort of time. School didnt need studying I wasn't working and was living at home. I don't get to read nearly as much as I would like to anymore. And reading up on things for essays hardly counts. Though the flip side is the huge library (I was pretty contrained earlier) and courses which push you outside of your reading comfort zone.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Just answer this and i will be happy for the night; how can any white australian, be happy with giving aboriginals land rights? What is the energising force behind these morons?

Well the settlers took their land, so as long as it doesn't really hurt us then it makes sense to restore the balance by returning it to the previous owners. That's not so hard to stomach is it?

Keep in mind that native title is only claimable for Crown land that has never been granted and for pastoral leases (land owned by the Crown that has been leased to farmers and people in the country, etc) to the extent that it is not inconsistent with the enjoyment of the land leased.