Which is the best uni for business/commerce/economics? (2 Viewers)

[redruM]

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Go to Macq

 

[stazi]

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ok so thanx peopl for the input and info.


lets say i have a choice between maq and uts. if i wanted to do bcommerce-acc / bfinance. would u recomend i do it in maq or go to uts and do a bbusiness?

and when it comes to transport maq is much closer to me.

uts people will say uts, maq people will say maq. I'd say Maq as it is much closer to you. Plus the social life will be a lot better.

 

[stazi]

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I beg to differ. I think the reputation of the business school you go to is very important.

If you are going to do a commerce/business degree and slog 3 years of your life and then burden yourself with a HECs/PELs debt which may take years and years to pay off - you are nuts to go to a business school that anythttp://community.boredofstudies.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3020828
Bored of Studies - Reply to Topiching less than the best.

I am quite impressed by the Australian School of Business and their ambitions and vision to be the leading business school in the Asia Pacific region - something that is not unreasonable.

With the merger with the AGSM - which is by far and away the top graduate business school in Australia - there is no doubt that the new combined business school will the the scope and synergies to compete on a global scale:

http://www2.agsm.edu.au/agsm/web.nsf/Content/FutureStudents-VirtualTour

hahahahahhahaha. wow you really do buy in to all that marketing bullshit.

 

[Newbie]

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its true that unsw is currently the best

but we're getting totally fucked by international students, not the hardworking ones, but the fucken lazy shit rich parents, red P's on a bmw type. get the fuck out.

i dont think i will tell my brother to go unsw when he grows up

 

[Vagabond]

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success is determined by which private school you went to if you have that sort of outlook in terms of ranking uni's now that i think about it

Well if you go to one of those highschools where everybody's father is the director/partner/head manager/... of XYZ Ltd. then you'd have that nice network of people to get you work experience (that is denied to anyone inquiring over the phone) or in many cases unadvertised jobs... So really, not so much the name or prestige of the school but rather the people who go there..

red P's on a bmw type.

I am so sick of that.

 

[stazi]

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No I am not influenced my marketing material or spin of any type. Based on my own observations.

Just look around, which other busines school/ faculties of commerce/faculties of business out there would you consider world class??

There are only two business schools that I can think of really

(1) Australian School of Business
(2) Melbourne Business School

Both of which have adopted the US style business school model and have an ambitious vision for the future.

University of Sydney's Facutly of Business & Economics doesnt have a postgrad business school anymore - its purely an undergrad school.

UTS, well, its a teaching university really but even the quality of teaching at UTS is questionable given that it still suffers from overcrowding in first year lecture halls. Still, it does have an impressive range of subjects and choices to choose from. UTS Faculty of Business just doesnt have any where near the reputation of the Australian School of Business.

Macquarie University: Department of Commerce - I must admit is quite a mediocre, typical run of the mill commerce teaching uni. There is nothing particularly outstanding about this uni and the fact that students can graduate with only one major is beyond belief.

Monash uni: well ditto UTS.

USYD doesn't feature a postgrad program? wow, I wonder why we have hundreds of people taking their MBA, M Com, PhDs, etc., at USYD. I guess they mistakenly enrolled in an undergrad course instead.

The Australian School of Business is great and everything, but it has not had any effects on the quality of undergraduate education, or reputation, yet. In fact, USYD has a lot more global prestige based on the peer-reviewed rankings. ANU has even more.

When it comes to looking for employment, employers won't prefer UNSW candidates over USYD ones or vice versa.

Anyway, this debate keeps reoccurring and is silly. A drunk homeless guy told me that the best employers worldwide actually prefer TAFE candidates. He must be right, as he's friends with the lead recruitment specialist of PWC

 

[Conspirocy]

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ok so thanx peopl for the input and info.


lets say i have a choice between maq and uts. if i wanted to do bcommerce-acc / bfinance. would u recomend i do it in maq or go to uts and do a bbusiness?

and when it comes to transport maq is much closer to me.

I'd go maq for fin, uts of acct...but overall maq - i know a lot of people from uts finance who wasted their time and arent getting work

 

[roadcone]

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UTS, well, its a teaching university really but even the quality of teaching at UTS is questionable given that it still suffers from overcrowding in first year lecture halls. Still, it does have an impressive range of subjects and choices to choose from. UTS Faculty of Business just doesnt have any where near the reputation of the Australian School of Business.

is interesting, because a number of the staff at uts also lecture/tutor at usyd and unsw.

 

[Bobness]

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I am severely apathetic as regards to the thread title. For the shens I'd just say USYD Faculty of Economics and Business outstrips* FOB (Faculty of Business, UNSW).

Stazi why do you have high way man's av?

*lol

 

[Bobness]

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^You're a joke. USYD law school >UNSW law school.

And Engineering would depend on which streams. For one, Sydney's Aeronautical program is of higher quality than any UNSW equivalent (if one existed).

 

[stazi]

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I meant USYD doesnt have a post graduate business school of any standing anymore since its departure from the AGSM - its mainly an undergrad teaching school now. It just doesnt compare with UNSW anymore in the field of business.

USYD and ANU may have a higher "prestige" in these peer review studies BUT this is for the Unis as a whole - NOT a review of their Business School.

USYD's strength has always been in medical sciences.

ANU strength has always been in scientific and pure research.

Neither USYD or ANU has a business school worth the bandwidth this post is written on.

The strength of UNSW is by far and away in its Business/Commerce discipline, its Engineering faculty and its Law school.

lol actually USYD's arts program is the reason for those peer reviews, in my opinion. medical science at usyd isn't very superior to UNSW. USYD is an excellent research university in business. I would like to see the number of phd students at usyd vs unsw with business theses

Also, let's not forget that many employers won't know whether you attended a Australian School of Business-AGSM allied l33t course. They will know you went to either UNSW or USYD, or whichever other uni if you're going overseas for work.

oh and my av is his as theres two accounts with his av already. im trying to be confusing

 

[stazi]

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And besides, this thread is about "Best Business Faculty" not about best uni and in that regard UNSW's Australian School of Business would be the top business school in Australia.

for postgrad courses, maybe. for undergrad courses, not necessarily.

Kenan-Flagler Business School (USA), where i took a course on exchange is often ranked in the top-10 MBA schools. That, however, didn't mean that the undergraduate program is superior to programs at much lower-ranked schools offering MBAs. Often at postgrad-oriented schools, undergrad education suffers.

 

[Bobness]

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I'll let stazi do the convincing; it's clear from your contemptuous writing style that you regard a first year's view as being either immature or lolworthy.

Even if it is

I fucking attend UNSW and I am certain UTS has a stronger focus on the practical side of engineering than UNSW. We can continue to argue all we want on research vs. teaching vs. course satisfaction, but in the end the only established facts in nsw would be USYD has the most prestigious Law and Arts faculties, and that most of the city unis can claim their comparative strengths in business, commerce, engineering and science.

And UWS > than the rest.

ps plus you never responded to my FOB comment, fob

 

[Newbie]

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for postgrad courses, maybe. for undergrad courses, not necessarily.

Kenan-Flagler Business School (USA), where i took a course on exchange is often ranked in the top-10 MBA schools. That, however, didn't mean that the undergraduate program is superior to programs at much lower-ranked schools offering MBAs. Often at postgrad-oriented schools, undergrad education suffers.

this statement is incorrect

you will find that top universities will rank highly in both their business schools and undergrad programs.

unsw is still currently the top for undergrad commerce but as i said we're slowly losing to usyd thanks to internationals who pay their way to a degree

 

[stazi]

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how is unsw the top for undergrad commerce? I have never ever seen an Australian undergrad commerce ranking.

Also universities rank differently for postgrad and undergrad. Kenan-Flagler was only around 35th, from memory, for the undergrad program.

 

[Newbie]

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you are right, i dont there has been a formal ranking system for aus. commerce. my statement is based on a more careers based overview. most of the hr's tell me that unsw has been their uber-target school for a long time but its slipping to usyd thanks to the amount of international students

well if they are 35th for undergrad, then what i said is true, because they are 32nd for their business school http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html

 

[stazi]

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haha ive heard the opposite regarding commerce, that usyd is the uber school for recruitment options. maybe they just told us what we wanted to hear.

Maybe Kenan-Flagler fell in their rankings. They had this thing on their site when I applied saying they were 7th, or something like that.

 

[Newbie]

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perhaps
damn hr are slimy

i wouldnt rule out that usyd may have a clear undisputed lead in a couple of years unless unsw changes their intake policies

 

[stazi]

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Hi all - I know the recruiters here at maccas and they have a preference for unsw and uts students. Most of the highest achieving and brightest students in the state consistently choose UNSW to study Commerce. UTS Business students are very hands on and practical. Problem with Usyd commerce students is that their course is still too theorical based. Most ppl in my company think quite lowly of macquarie uni students due to the narrow skill set resulting from graduating with only one major. We dont seem to get many students from UWS.

In my team in EMG here is the uni breakdown:

1. UNSW (8)
2. UTS (5)
3. USyd (2)

Maccas? Yeah, at McDonalds' they certainly prefer UNSW students.

Also 'most of the highest achieving students choose UNSW Commerce'. Hmmm funny how the USYD intake this year for B Commerce achieved higher marks than ever before, on average. Funny how UNSW accepted students attaining lower marks than their artificial cut-off. This certainly demonstrates how most of the smartest students prefer to go to UNSW.

If you need to keep telling yourself that UNSW is the greatest uni in the world, then keep reinforcing that point. I understand that you didn't get the job that you wanted, so you need to keep reiterating the same thing to make yourself feel better. You remind me of Natstar.

 

[velox]

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Hi all - I know the recruiters here at maccas and they have a preference for unsw and uts students. Most of the highest achieving and brightest students in the state consistently choose UNSW to study Commerce. UTS Business students are very hands on and practical. Problem with Usyd commerce students is that their course is still too theorical based. Most ppl in my company think quite lowly of macquarie uni students due to the narrow skill set resulting from graduating with only one major. We dont seem to get many students from UWS.

In my team in EMG here is the uni breakdown:

1. UNSW (8)
2. UTS (5)
3. USyd (2)

If it is indeed an operations role you are working in, that means nothing. You dont even need a degree for operations, just a tolerance for mind numbingly boring work.