I know, why can't those two faculties just get along? Both subjects are important.Originally posted by spice girl
Hehehe...Mercury's also right
I use english to communicate with non-mathematicians, and there's an awful lot of these around. I use english to communicate with mathematicians, because maths is inappropriate for normal communication. In fact I use english to communicate, because that's it's main purpose of existence.
Whereas maths serves another purpose. I dun need to go thru all this again.
It's really funny how my english teachers always seems to be at war with my maths teachers. Soon, my principal says that they'll be in opposite rooms of the same building, which would be interesting!
I'm not saying either is better or more useful, rather I am just saying to "english-haters" that english is just as important and practical as maths...Originally posted by Morgues
ummm...your all comparing apples and oranges
All subjects have aspects of them that aren't as practical as others. You get taught alot of things so you have your options open when you choose your career path. Will I ever use calculas for everyday life no! Only if you chose a career that is mathematics are physics based will you need to know it. The same goes for the techniques in english, you need them if you get into journalism and media and communications.Originally posted by Bon
Heh. I don't think complex numbers are literal, they're imaginary numbers. Why do you assume that I don't enjoy reading science fiction or other books for that matter ? That is not *english* as such as we are taught at school. Instead of appreciating the ideas put forth by the book, we are burdened with this bullshit of technique and HOW it creates meaning. Who really cares ? That's going to get you places in the real world ? You're going to sit down and think about all the techniques you know when you write somthing, evaluate the effectiveness of each one on how it creates meaning, then purposely use techniques to put across a message ? You've got to be joking.
Eye contact, body signals, hand gestures and facial expressions are all part of english, believe it or not. This is especially true when you discuss in class and have debates and speeches etc.Originally posted by Bon
You've gone off topic, we were discussing english as it is taught in school. Despite that, I don't think any of us said communicating was not important. English is just ONE medium we use. Do you not use eye contact to communicate with someone ? Do you not use body singals, handgestures, expressions on your face, etc ? They are all different mediums for communicating, english is just one of the many we use. Do you think it's also a coincidence most IQ tests are heavily mathematically based ?
When you programme software you don't really need to be open-minded to program. When you design the actual graphical user interface you probable need to be at least a bit.Originally posted by Bon
haha, a narrow mind is needed for mathematics ? Puh-lease, you're contracdicting yourself again, name calling! If a narrow mind is needed for mathematics, do you think you could program a forum like the one we're posting on ? You're using software created by narrow-minded individuals, so I can deduce that you're narrow-minded too, can I not ?
Thats a rather weak argument, cos its based on PERSONAL experience. The people that I have the "best debates and deepest conversations" with tend to be people who do english, arts and humanities subjects. But thats not to say that there are plenty of people who do science and maths who have the same sorta conversations. But for the most part people in my school who don't do well in English and choose math and science based subjects tend not to articulate themselves that well and don't know much about current events, politics, science and art.Originally posted by Bon
The smartest people I know. When I say smartest, I mean the people who I have the best debates with and the deepest conversations with, are people who do 4u or 3u math/physics/SDD. I don't know any smart person who is comparatively good at english like they are at mathematics.
English is not the only manifestation of "imagination". Nor is mathematics a field of pure knowledge. Those who are successful in mathematics or science have imagination and innovation when they carry out their research.Originally posted by MoonlightSonata
"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
SDD requires you to bullshit so much its almost englishOriginally posted by MoonlightSonata
Exactly merc.
And just for the record, I go to a selective school and came first in the SDD accelerated course, 2nd overall if you include the year 12s above me
i have to say, while english is more imaginative and less knowledge and maths is vice versa, you are correct. The best mathematicians, scientists, artists etc. use both to their advantageOriginally posted by spice girl
English is not the only manifestation of "imagination". Nor is mathematics a field of pure knowledge. Those who are successful in mathematics or science have imagination and innovation when they carry out their research.
The flaw in this argument is that either a)you've automatically equated english with imagination, and maths with knowledge, or b) your quote is irrelevant.
if u want to argue, argue intelligentlyOriginally posted by Dumbarse
just face the facts u english losers, your only good at it cause u suck at maths.. english is reading and writing, end of story.
Please explain why you need to be open-minded.Originally posted by Bon
Well done.
I currently 2nd in sdd and accelerated a course last which I came first in, your point ? What was your actual HSC mark ?
'When you programme software you don't really need to be open-minded to program. When you design the actual graphical user interface you probable need to be at least a bit.'
It's obvious you have no idea of programming.
Just throwing this over to you wogboy as an idea - that the pen is mightier than the sword.Originally posted by wogboy
Imagine there was a huge war between the math and english students, what would happen? The math students would be using projectile motion knowledge to fire missiles @ the english students and english students would be defending themselves with poetry?? Maths rulz all the way.
Ah damn, thats right..ill ammend thatOriginally posted by Bon
Very good point, I agree with you MinAi. My only problem is, that it was Galileo =D
I know this is irrelevant, but you need to be open minded because you need to consider every case, one for each (or each type) of values your program will pass into each function.Originally posted by mercurydrinker
Please explain why you need to be open-minded.
I agree...i can't solve very maths questions without writing it onto paper...Originally posted by Fradam
*another 4U Eng student ventures into this thread*
Just throwing this over to you wogboy as an idea - that the pen is mightier than the sword.
If you do journalism and media and communications for instance you would have to understand linguistic techniques and their effectivessness and their uses. This is because you're writing things like feature articles, columns, newspaper articles etc. and in order to be persuasive (or whatever purpose you are trying to achieve) you need a firm understanding of the techniques.Originally posted by Bon
Goes back to my point, you think people sit down and think about all the techniques they know and evaluate each one to use in a particular situation ?
I believe it would be more closlely linked to pyschology, human behaviour, some branch of science. =D
True. Current events and politics are mainly boring. I do business studies, do you think it's ironic I got a lower mark in that subject which is much easier than physics, even when I find physics harder ?
I actually find that sorta thing quite enjoyable and interesting, it sorta expands the subject in to other areas. But thats just me.Originally posted by spice girl
What pisses me off sometimes is that it diverges into different fields in english (2unit anyways):
For change, you have to make up something philosophical.
For transformations, you need to study history
Is that the best you can do? Personal attacks?Originally posted by Dumbarse
can u get off our maths thread thermometer drinker, everyones sick of your pathetic debating and argumental skills, just face it u suck
What a professional example of excellent debating and argument skills you've demonstrated here!Originally posted by Dumbarse
can u get off our maths thread thermometer drinker, everyones sick of your pathetic debating and argumental skills, just face it u suck