Some are born gay, some achieve gayness, and some have gayness thrust upon them (4 Viewers)

[Iron]

^6/10 people surveyed voted against the 10 commandments, therefore the 10 commandments are obviously bull as indicated by the results of the survey
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[SnowFox]

Well...they are bull.

 

[Iron]

and you have a violent mental impairment

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

^6/10 people surveyed voted against the 10 commandments, therefore the 10 commandments are obviously bull as indicated by the results of the survey
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hsc
homosexual therapist
analrapist

I see you coveting my wife every day you heinous hypocrite!

 

[Iheartgays]

Agreed. In fact, a recent poll showed that 60% of Australians support gay marriage, which was a 3% rise from the last time they did it. So it can only go up from here, especially as young people have a higher rate of tolerance, and they'll be the ones making the policies. The argument the govt. has about 'Australian values' of marriage being between a man and a woman is obviously bull, as indicated by the results of the survey.

Rise in support for gay marriage

Why would you want gays to get married? How does it affect you at all? Why not let the gay community sort out their own problems?

 

[Tangent]

Why would you want gays to get married? How does it affect you at all? Why not let the gay community sort out their own problems?

Rofl. You're alittle slow...and a little ignorant

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Why would you want gays to get married? How does it affect you at all? Why not let the gay community sort out their own problems?

It's important because gays are not some separate little group that live on their own island. They live in Australia, are part of the same Australian society as straights, a country that purports to value equality. The issue affects those straights who want to be true to these important values as proud Australians, to make the nation better for everyone, not just themselves. These people can look beyond themselves and have empathy for others, realising the importance of these ideals. Also, even if they are not gay themselves, they are most likely to know a gay person, therefore bringing the issue into their lives. If nothing else, it's a matter of principle.

 

[Iheartgays]

It's important because gays are not some separate little group that live on their own island. They live in Australia, are part of the same Australian society as straights, a country that purports to value equality. The issue affects those straights who want to be true to these important values as proud Australians, to make the nation better for everyone, not just themselves. These people can look beyond themselves and have empathy for others, realising the importance of these ideals. Also, even if they are not gay themselves, they are most likely to know a gay person, therefore bringing the issue into their lives. If nothing else, it's a matter of principle.

You claim to be proequality, but have you really considered the depth of the issue? How about pedophilia? That's just as much a preference as being a poofta, yet they are persecuted and often jailed for displays of their affection. Answer me that one.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

That is because pedophilia does not occur between consenting adults, whereas homosexual relationships *do*. I am for equality within the premise that granting such equality will not negatively impact on defenseless groups within society.

 

[Kwayera]

You claim to be proequality, but have you really considered the depth of the issue? How about pedophilia? That's just as much a preference as being a poofta, yet they are persecuted and often jailed for displays of their affection. Answer me that one.

Hahahah what. Pedophilia is not a genetically-determined sexual preference. Lol wtf

 

[Iheartgays]

Hahahah what. Pedophilia is not a genetically-determined sexual preference. Lol wtf

Prove that homosexuality is and pedophilia isn't then.

 

[Kwayera]

Prove that homosexuality is and pedophilia isn't then.

Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pedophilia is a psychological disorder (and largely environment/nurture-related). Homosexuality is genetically pre-determined, as is heterosexuality.

Your move.

 

[Iheartgays]

Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pedophilia is a psychological disorder (and largely environment/nurture-related). Homosexuality is genetically pre-determined, as is heterosexuality.

Your move.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. In fact I knew you were gunna quote Wikipedia so I changed it just before you looked at it.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.

This does not, in and of itself, suggest that everything on Wikipedia is wrong.

 

[Kwayera]

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. In fact I knew you were gunna quote Wikipedia so I changed it just before you looked at it.

Look. At. The. Citations.

For fuck's sake. "OMG WIKIPEDIA IS BIASED" is not a defence.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Exactly. The burden of proof rests on Iheartgays to suggest why pedophilia is related to homosexuality in any relevant way, as she made the argument in the first place. It is not an acceptable defence to just refute every argument made by the oposition, but actually provide definitive evidence for why they are wrong.

 

[epic man]

" Research has identified several biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, pedophilic or bisexual orientation."

uhhh guys.

also, i know a pair of identical twins. They have the same genetics and one is homosexual while the other is not...

 

[Iheartgays]

Exactly. The burden of proof rests on Iheartgays to suggest why pedophilia is related to homosexuality in any relevant way, as she made the argument in the first place. It is not an acceptable defence to just refute every argument made by the oposition, but actually provide definitive evidence for why they are wrong.

Biology and sexual orientation is the subject of research into the role of biology in the development of human sexual orientation. No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated, and there is no scientific consensus as to whether the contributing factors are primarily biological or environmental. Many think both play complex roles.[1][2] The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association have both stated that sexual orientation probably has multiple causes.[3][4] Research has identified several biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, Pedophilic or bisexual orientation. These include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure. Conclusive proof of a biological cause of sexual orientation would have significant political and cultural implications.[5]

From Wikipedia.

 

[Kwayera]

" Research has identified several biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, pedophilic or bisexual orientation."

uhhh guys.

also, i know a pair of identical twins. They have the same genetics and one is homosexual while the other is not...

"Biological factors" doesn't necessarily mean common gene mutations, such as in heterosexuality/homosexuality. Environment can alter allele expression (epigenetics), which is different from developmental genetics.


EDIT: And this is why I said "look at the citations". Wikipedia summaries are good but often overly simplified, as in this case. Do your on frickin' research, people.

 

[epic man]

"Biological factors" doesn't necessarily mean common gene mutations, such as in heterosexuality/homosexuality. Environment can alter allele expression (epigenetics), which is different from developmental genetics.

your point is...?