Tony Abbott new opposition leader (2 Viewers)

[ad infinitum]

What you fail to understand is the ETS isn't going to help fight climate change, the government is going about it the wrong way. Renewable energy is the only method that is going to secure our future as well as make effective indents into our carbon emissions. The Howard government were going to institute one by 2012 and it is the same with Rudd, both parties are just opposing for the sake of opposing rather than seeing the big picture and going for long-term improvement rather than short-term.

The ETS is just a market based way to speed that process up (i.e make renewable options more viable)...

 

[SylviaB]

Depends, if you actually believe in freedom its massive. If you're just a greedy person who hides behind the facade of being a libertarian, nothing.

not having the ever loving shit taxed out of everything you own/do = freedom

 

[Lentern]

not having the ever loving shit taxed out of everything you own/do = freedom

Rubbish, you don't care about the principles of freedom at all you care about you and nothing else.

 

[A High Way Man]

libertarianism is easy fanciful shit

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

libertarianism is easy fanciful shit

thats heavy shit bro

 

[John McCain]

I didn't know where Howard stood, he told me he was going to keep interest rates at record lows, he told me the GST was dead and burried, he told me, He told me that they were throwing the children overboard to force a rescue. Whatever defences of John Howard one might be able to make transparency was not one of them.

This isn't a pissing contest, they're both rubbish, I don't like either of them.

My point was, that your aligning yourself with Labor based on compassion for refugees is ridiculous. Rudd is a monster.

 

[A High Way Man]

does anybody actually believe that politicians act on their personal conscience

 

[A High Way Man]

we need a pierre trudeau to set things straight 'round here.

 

[John McCain]

Absolutely, why would they get out of bed otherwise, they could make more money in the private sector.

You're going to have to compromise your conscience occasionally whatever job you do.

 

[SylviaB]

Rubbish, you don't care about the principles of freedom at all you care about you and nothing else.

yeah nah you're a fucking stupid cunt

 

[JamesCohen]

Hockey eliminated first round

Second round: Abbott v Turnbull 42-41.

Personally, I'd vote for Turnbull over Abbott, but between Rudd & Abbott... well, should be a fun election.

 

[Reece92]

I think this is good news. 90% of Australians do not support communist Rudd on the ETS and im pretty happy to put up with Tony Abott's batshit religious views if im going to save money.

great post...

 

[Jaylee42003]

um, idk if anyone else thinks this (i havent the time nor energy to read all previous posts), but I am kind of over all this liberal party leadership crap. I'm OVER it. And with only 1 vote, Abbot will be out soon enough. I just Facepalm everytime I hear about it. And I am (/was...) a Liberal supporter. I would of preferrred Joe Hockey but meh. This stuff is fucked right now.

 

[Rafy]

Senator Troeth speaking in favour of the CPRS. Will cross the floor.

 

[*TRUE*]

Tony Abbott is a creep, are they nuts??? At least Joe Hockey is down to earth and has charisma. If pushed he could appeal and seem relatable to the masses in the same way Kim Beazley did for Labour (didn't do them much good electorially though...). Even Turnball, despite the fact he reeked of elitism, could actually pass as a human being. Abbott will make the Liberal Party seem even more out of touch with the everyday concerns and general views of the Australian people.

Because being down to earth and having charisma are the chief considerations?
What person on earth votes for someone based on their charisma. God, I hope the majority of us aren't that pathetic.
I don't think Abbott will hold the position for very long, but I'd say it's his overt and permeative religious beliefs that make him an unpopular future PM, not his lack of charisma, lol.

 

[ekoolish]

Senator Troeth speaking in favour of the CPRS. Will cross the floor.

Meh, they won't get the 7.

 

[alex.leon]

Not into politics, but I was unlucky enough to attend school with one of Tony Abbott's daughters, Francis. This is what happened when I met her...

Francis: Hi, you must be Alex. I'm Francis.
Me: Oh, hi!
Francis: Francis Abbott.

*silence*

Francis: My dad's Tony Abbott.
Me: *silence*
Francis: The politician.
Me: *silence*
Francis: He's really famous, I bet your dad would know him.
Me: Oh, maybe.
Francis: Your dad probably wants to be my dad. Everyone loves him.
Me: Oh.
Francis: Is your dad rich like mine? We get to go on holidays for free.
Me: *backing away slowly*

She was so into herself. Eckh.

 

[Rafy]

Senator Boyce will also cross the floor.

Both Boyce and Troeth have spoke strongly in favour of nuclear.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Both Boyce and Troeth have spoke strongly in favour of nuclear.

Boyce/Troeth for PM.

 

[Rafy]

With 2 Coalition senators crossing the floor, the Greens are now essentially responsible for the defeat of the CPRS.