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Bishop enters battle against secular ethics classes



THE Bishop of North Sydney has urged Anglican priests to collect information from principals of public schools to stop the spread of the secular ethics classes the Sydney Anglicans believe may threaten religious education.

In an email seen by the Herald, Bishop Glenn Davies urged ministers to contact the principals of public schools in their parishes to ascertain the exact numbers of children enrolled in religious education. This was even though most schools were not involved in the trial, which is being piloted at just 10 schools under the guidance of the St James Ethics Centre.

''The St James Ethics Centre claims that there are large numbers of students not enrolled in SRE [special religious education],'' the email from Bishop Davies read. ''We need to gather some accurate information to challenge this claim.''

Bishop Davies added that ''there is an urgency to this request'' and asked for results by the following week.

The Herald has learnt that even rectors whose local schools are not involved in the trial have turned up at P&C meetings to protest about the secular ethics classes.

Groups of religious education teachers including Anglicans have also lobbied the principals of schools where the trial will occur, to make sure the trial did not affect their class numbers.

The NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations and the St James Ethics Centre yesterday renewed their invitation to the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, to meet to discuss the trial.

''There is absolutely no desire or intention to weaken religion or eliminate scripture from schools and to suggest otherwise is misleading,'' the centre's head, Simon Longstaff, said. ''The reality is that, prior to this trial being mounted, in some schools, 50 to 80 per cent of students were electing not to go to scripture.''

The course would let children who did not take scripture class examine ethical issues, but without an overarching theology, he said.

The president of the NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations, Di Giblin, said there was ''enormous interest'' in the secular ethics trial among parents, ''with more schools hoping to take part in the pilot than we can accommodate''.

The NSW Teachers Federation said it was ''highly inappropriate'' that religious organisations should seek to interfere in a course designed to provide an alternative to religious education.

Dr Jensen, who privately lobbied the Premier, Kristina Keneally, over the classes, said ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible.

His principal concern is that the ethics classes have been offered to all children at the pilot schools, not just those who have opted out of religious education, which he said was the original intention.

The pilot program co-ordinator for the classes, Teresa Russell, said that in line with advice from the Department of Education, all parents at the relevant schools had been informed that ''all children were welcome'' at the ethics classes.

Dr Jensen told ABC radio that the ethics trial had been ''rushed through'', which is why he had sought to have a meeting with the Premier, who he said was an ''interesting and intelligent person''.

Ms Keneally assured him there would be ''proper discussion'' of the trial at its conclusion.

Dr Jensen said it was not easy to be heard in the debate about the trial, in part because of ''countervailing forces that may be less scrupulous in putting their case''.
 

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What? You mean priests are angry that the next young generation aren't being indoctrinated by the disgusting, hypocrisy of religion?

...Weird.
 
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What's their other alternative? Surely it's better than shoving our youth into non scripture and leaving them to plot a school massacre and stick glue up each other's noses.
 

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confucious say secularism lead to school shooting and glue nose
 

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confucious say secularism lead to school shooting and glue nose
hong dow diddy ne yung!

i'm not opposed to people opposing ethics classes - the less filthy moral relativism we teach in schools the better. same goes for religion, in that there ought to be (and there is) less of that.

religion and ethics, to me, seems to be something that would be better served outside of school and not funded by the taxpayer.
 

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ethics is a load of crap but I suppose if we're gonna have it secular is better than religious.
 

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Disgusting hypocrisy from religious organisations flying in the face of logical or rational inquiry?

No-one should be at all surprised but everyone should be appalled.
 

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tbh i thinks its sad that the government thinks we need ethics or welfare classes.
past generations have done just fine without them?
 

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I got kicked out of scripture for disproving the priest.
 

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tbh i thinks its sad that the government thinks we need ethics or welfare classes.
past generations have done just fine without them?
Religion (namely Christianity) had a greater influence in the past...

Just sayin'
 

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Religion (namely Christianity) had a greater influence in the past...

Just sayin'
Oh don't go there, please, we've been over this. Don't equate morality and religion, please. I've discussed this with you before and clearly disproved your points.
 

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oh yea forgot about them

but i still don't think u need a class to tell u you can't call someone a dickhead, punch somebody in the face or rape someone just sayin
 

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Here's an alternative:

How about... we don't include scripture in primary schools? Just let the normal day's events occur without scripture/non-scripture/ethics/otherbullshitnonsense happening in schools to kids that haven't developed the mental capacity to understand them.

I predict that we would see a pretty hefty decrease to religious participation if kids weren't indoctrinated at a childhood level.
 
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Oh don't go there, please, we've been over this. Don't equate morality and religion, please. I've discussed this with you before and clearly disproved your points.
I'm not equating anything, merely making a somewhat general observation.

To clear things up (you don't think I'm religious do you?), I do not support religion as some of its actions are unjustifiable and hypocritical with their own teachings, namely actions in the past but also some cases today. Also a few people that follow it are a bit loony, but to be fair some of the nicest people I know are religious. I would back you up in religious discussions 100% if you weren't so gung ho about how shitty faith is, let sensible people practice it (by sensible I mean opposite of extremists).

oh yea forgot about them

but i still don't think u need a class to tell u you can't call someone a dickhead, punch somebody in the face or rape someone just sayin
Agreed. Really it should go without saying that one should treat people the way they'd like to be treated.
 

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I'm not equating anything, merely making a somewhat general observation.

To clear things up (you don't think I'm religious do you?), I do not support religion as some of its actions are unjustifiable and hypocritical with their own teachings, namely actions in the past but also some cases today. Also a few people that follow it are a bit loony, but to be fair some of the nicest people I know are religious. I would back you up in religious discussions 100% if you weren't so gung ho about how shitty faith is, let sensible people practice it (by sensible I mean opposite of extremists).



Agreed. Really it should go without saying that one should treat people the way they'd like to be treated.

you do have a very good point.

there some really nice people out there that believe in god or whatever because they just can't handle that there isn't something more. they need this whole god thing as one big comforter of their life because otherwise life isn't worth living to them. these people look at their holy book and just look at the good parts that teach them tolerance and love for one another. sure these people may be the biggest hypocrites ever but I'd rather be friends with them then some extremist
 

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To clear things up (you don't think I'm religious do you?), I do not support religion as some of its actions are unjustifiable and hypocritical with their own teachings, namely actions in the past but also some cases today. Also a few people that follow it are a bit loony, but to be fair some of the nicest people I know are religious. I would back you up in religious discussions 100% if you weren't so gung ho about how shitty faith is, let sensible people practice it (by sensible I mean opposite of extremists).
In saying so, you must recognise that being nice, tolerant, accepting people goes entirely against their religion in most aspects, so they act that way because that is the kind of person they are, and that has shit all to do with the religion that they follow. They act that way because of an entirely secular ethical discourse and, furthermore, they must ignore their religion in order to do so.

Without religion you'd have good people doing good things, bad people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, that takes religion.
 

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