is this true because ive heard it from alot of people! (1 Viewer)

[ali-fc]

yeh but if u apply to business and do business studies and economics theyll prob give an offer even if u get like 50 right ? :L

 

[kaz1]

Teaching is really a noble profession, you don't need a good ATAR to be a successful teacher, it requires passion for teaching. Everyone of us, including our nation’s Presidents are the product of teaching. The teacher is the one who molds a child into what he will be on the future. He is being taught how to read and how to write, how to deal with others and how to deal with himself. The knowledge of the teacher is being shared or transferred to the child from science, technology, arts and values. And when the child is ready to pursue for a higher degree of education and specialization, it is still the teacher who is guiding the child for him to attain his dreams and expectations. No other profession is greater than teaching. Without teacher, there will be no Engineers who will plan, design and manage the construction of buildings, roads, bridges, communication facilities and other mechanical infrastructure. Doctors, scientists, politicians, etc, will not exist without the teacher and the teaching process.

So girls aren't entitled to an education.

 

[Ahmed ftw]

Agree with Kaz1. @The Thing, pls fix ur post, its kind of offensive to the female gender m8.

And ur post is pretty shit to be honest. A person who got 38 in the HSC should not be allowed to 'shape the young minds of tomorrow'. They FAILED! How can a failure teach others?

If it really is 'the most noble of jobs' then they should increase the atar to like 99.7 or something close to that required to do law or medicine. Seems fair. And if u want someone who has the passion for teaching, maybe introduce something similar to the UMAT but for students who want to be teachers to see if they have the aptitude to teach.

 

[Ealdoon]

Agree with Kaz1. @The Thing, pls fix ur post, its kind of offensive to the female gender m8.

And ur post is pretty shit to be honest. A person who got 38 in the HSC should not be allowed to 'shape the young minds of tomorrow'. They FAILED! How can a failure teach others?

If it really is 'the most noble of jobs' then they should increase the atar to like 99.7 or something close to that required to do law or medicine. Seems fair. And if u want someone who has the passion for teaching, maybe introduce something similar to the UMAT but for students who want to be teachers to see if they have the aptitude to teach.

Not a bad idea

 

[Leffife]

Agree with Kaz1. @The Thing, pls fix ur post, its kind of offensive to the female gender m8.

And ur post is pretty shit to be honest. A person who got 38 in the HSC should not be allowed to 'shape the young minds of tomorrow'. They FAILED! How can a failure teach others?

If it really is 'the most noble of jobs' then they should increase the atar to like 99.7 or something close to that required to do law or medicine. Seems fair. And if u want someone who has the passion for teaching, maybe introduce something similar to the UMAT but for students who want to be teachers to see if they have the aptitude to teach.

I agree with most of your points, except the one in bold. He didn't state that teaching is the most noble of jobs, he just said it's just a noble profession. Also, every course has an ATAR requirement solely based on supply and demand (i.e. similar to the price mechanism if you do economics). Since for some mysterious reason, people want to do law or medicine, it pushes the the demand up and since their is an inverse relationship between supply and demand, as demand goes up and their is little supply they will raise the ATAR requirement up (i.e. similar to a demand-pull inflation). Overall, something similar to the UMAT test would seem quite effective, as to see if the person will be capable of teaching and assisting the students of the future.

 

[muhahahahahaha]

Don't think so, a friend of mine who got 41 couldn't get into business at UWS but got offered a diploma course.

However true, another friend who got 50, got an offer with them.

Ridiculous how they claim the max bonus point is 10 though.

M8, Ive got friends who got into Arts at Usyd with 50 :/ and we arent talking about going to TAFE for a year before hand or anything of the sort, just straight from high school and into an Arts degree. Now that's dodgy.

 

[Leffife]

Thanks muhahahahahaha

Yeah, I definitely agree with you. If you read a bit up, you will see me saying that getting 38 is definitely not suitable in most terms to become a teacher. I believe a 75+ would be fairly alright, depending on which subject they are going to teach. For example, if the person had a strong academic performance in maths (band 6) and was a bit below average for the other subjects he/she was dragged down because of that. That's why I also believe that it's necessary to have something similar to the UMAT, since it will show the individuals' passion to pursue as a teacher and if he/she has a consolidated background in the subject going to be taught to other students.

 

[ali-fc]

M8, Ive got friends who got into Arts at Usyd with 50 :/ and we arent talking about going to TAFE for a year before hand or anything of the sort, just straight from high school and into an Arts degree. Now that's dodgy.

WTF wow.

 

[Lolsmith]

Thanks muhahahahahaha

Yeah, I definitely agree with you. If you read a bit up, you will see me saying that getting 38 is definitely not suitable in most terms to become a teacher. I believe a 75+ would be fairly alright, depending on which subject they are going to teach. For example, if the person had a strong academic performance in maths (band 6) and was a bit below average for the other subjects he/she was dragged down because of that. That's why I also believe that it's necessary to have something similar to the UMAT, since it will show the individuals' passion to pursue as a teacher and if he/she has a consolidated background in the subject going to be taught to other students.

Why? Why does more testing for a degree that is already superbly flawed for what its supposed outcomes need more testing and costs before you even start it?

 

[Lolsmith]

Are you Akhmed Khan?
I know heaps of people who were so shit in high school but they improved a lot in university, I know a guy who got an ATAR of 82 and did BSc, now he has a PhD in Physics.
ATAR is not the ultimate measure of how good you are, many factors can affect your ATAR including yourself.

better than 82% of the state

"so shit"

 

[Graney]

And ur post is pretty shit to be honest. A person who got 38 in the HSC should not be allowed to 'shape the young minds of tomorrow'. They FAILED! How can a failure teach others?

If it really is 'the most noble of jobs' then they should increase the atar to like 99.7 or something close to that required to do law or medicine. Seems fair. And if u want someone who has the passion for teaching, maybe introduce something similar to the UMAT but for students who want to be teachers to see if they have the aptitude to teach.

Thanks muhahahahahaha

Yeah, I definitely agree with you. If you read a bit up, you will see me saying that getting 38 is definitely not suitable in most terms to become a teacher. I believe a 75+ would be fairly alright, depending on which subject they are going to teach. For example, if the person had a strong academic performance in maths (band 6) and was a bit below average for the other subjects he/she was dragged down because of that. That's why I also believe that it's necessary to have something similar to the UMAT, since it will show the individuals' passion to pursue as a teacher and if he/she has a consolidated background in the subject going to be taught to other students.

I agree, but if you're not smart enough to pass a course, how can you be expected to teach other people that same course?

In an ideal world of unlimited resources, any student would be able to able to do any university course, regardless of their high school results, or other prior learning. A student who achieved a mark of 38 or less should be able to study medicine or law, if resources to do so were abundant, if demand was low relative to the supply of teaching resources.

The only justification for barriers to entry is the scarcity of resources. The rigour of the course determines the quality of graduates, if there are adequate assessments of competency during the course, it doesn't matter what the entry score is.

By emphasising the importance of a high entry score, you're implying:
- a high entry score provides any assurance whatsoever of the competency of graduates
- graduates with a low entry score can't be competent, or develop competency in a particular field
- the rigour of the course is so low that the only way to ensure high quality graduates is via the entry score
- it's okay to have a course with low rigour and less than comprehensive assessments of competency, as long as the barriers to entry are high enough; it doesn't matter what is taught during the course or how it is assessed, as long as the inputs are high quality enough, the outputs will be of equally high quality

tl;dr: entry to medicine should be open to people with atar of 38, the rigour of the course is the only valid means to assess competency.

 

[Moldy81]

Hi, UWS has a scheme called Triple Advantage, which allows for students to receive bonus points depending on whether or not they live or study in the Greater Western Sydney region and how they have performed in their HSC subjects. This may possibly raise the student's ATAR for UWS purposes - the maximum amount of bonus points which can be awarded is 10. For further information, please visit www.uws.edu.au/tripleadvantage or contact the Course Information team on 1300 897 669. Best regards, UWS Course Info.

 

[iSplicer]

Are you Akhmed Khan?
I know heaps of people who were so shit in high school but they improved a lot in university, I know a guy who got an ATAR of 82 and did BSc, now he has a PhD in Physics.
ATAR is not the ultimate measure of how good you are, many factors can affect your ATAR including yourself.

+1.

 

[Leffife]

It is extremely hard to get an ATAR less than 50 TBH.

Depends what you mean by extremely hard. Well, if someone wants to achieve an ATAR below 50 with almost 100%, then will have to at least, "fail the tests really badly and come last on purpose".

However, some people do study and still struggle as they are not 'academically capable' to achieve 'good' results. But if I know someone tried their 'best' and still did bad, I will be happy for them because they tried their best.

 

[Ahmed ftw]

Are you Akhmed Khan?
I know heaps of people who were so shit in high school but they improved a lot in university, I know a guy who got an ATAR of 82 and did BSc, now he has a PhD in Physics.
ATAR is not the ultimate measure of how good you are, many factors can affect your ATAR including yourself.

Im not Akhmed Khan (I have no idea who that is tbh). Yeah I know what you're saying. I got an 85 for my ATAR and I'm doing really well in my uni degree. 82 is a really good ATAR lol, but I'm saying that people who do get 38 really just should not teach. Think about it, how badly would you have to do in the HSC to get a 38? And these are the people that have the opportunity to become teachers :/ how can failures teach the future generations?

And Graney, I'm sorry m8, I don't agree with your post. Say there are enough resources available, what you're saying is that in an ideal world where there is no shortage of inputs, a person with an ATAR of 30 will become a brain surgeon :/

 

[Ahmed ftw]

Why? Why does more testing for a degree that is already superbly flawed for what its supposed outcomes need more testing and costs before you even start it?

Because idiots shouldn't be allowed to teach. And a lot of people with higher ATARs do not have the aptitude to become teachers. I believe that it is not only teaching, but every degree with a high interaction level should have to do the equivalent of the UMAT to decide whether or not they have the aptitude to be in that profession and succeed in that profession.
There are circumstances in which a student with an ATAR of 80 is more equipped to be a teacher than a student with an ATAR of say 95. Its all about APTITUDE.

 

[enak101]

The problem is, they don't have enough teachers, I'm sure some of you know about the shortage of maths and science teachers. That's why ATAR is like in the seventies. They need more teachers, in an ideal world, only the best can teach, but at the moment, they just need everyone they can get.