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Local Government referendum (1 Viewer)

Do you support the proposed amendments to the constitution?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • No

    Votes: 10 71.4%

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At the federal election Australians will also vote in a referendum related to local government.

The referendum if passed would amend section 96 of the constitution as follows:

Constitution Alteration (Local Government) 2013
Schedule 1 — Alteration of the Constitution

1 Section 96 (heading)
At the end of the heading, add “ and local government bodies ”.

2 Section 96
After “any State”, insert “, or to any local government body formed by a law of a State,”.
Section 96 is currently as follows:

Financial assistance to States
During a period of ten years after the establishment of the Commonwealth and thereafter until the Parliament otherwise provides, the Parliament may grant financial assistance to any State on such terms and conditions as the Parliament thinks fit.
As amended, s 96 would be as follows:

96 Financial assistance to States and local government bodies

During a period of ten years after the establishment of the Commonwealth and thereafter until the Parliament otherwise provides, the Parliament may grant financial assistance to any State, or local government body formed by a law of a State, on such terms and conditions as the Parliament thinks fit.
Do you support or oppose the proposed alteration? Why or why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_96_of_the_Constitution_of_Australia

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...e-hobbled-before-the-pass-20130504-2j00s.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/constitutional-change-makes-sense-20130509-2j97s.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-government-needs-rethink-20130521-2jyu9.html
 

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As I don't speak Constitution very well, please correct me if I'm wrong.

The referendum is asking for the Commonwealth to be allowed to give money directly to local councils, where currently it goes via the state government?
 

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As I don't speak Constitution very well, please correct me if I'm wrong.

The referendum is asking for the Commonwealth to be allowed to give money directly to local councils, where currently it goes via the state government?
Yes. I think it's too centralist and somewhat undermines the concept of Federalism but whatever we haven't had a successful referendum in while.
 
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It sounds like a lot of micromanagement on the part of the Federal Government.

I'm very curious as to how the process of funding local governments would operate.
 

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It sounds like a lot of micromanagement on the part of the Federal Government.

I'm very curious as to how the process of funding local governments would operate.
It will be proportioned based on local government 'needs' as opposed to the size of state.
 

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It will be proportioned based on local government 'needs' as opposed to the size of state.
Not too sure that's an appropriate method of distribution tbh.
 

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Not sure how and under what circumstances the federal government will determine the funding of hundreds of individual local governments. I would like to hear some contemporary cases where this power would have been useful. Massive pork barrelling possibly.
 

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I could be wrong but I was under the impression that up until recently the govt had been making grants to local government, but the high court has now said that that's not on. So in that sense it isn't a new power.
 

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may as well move the nation's capital to moscow while you're at it
 

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For the record this passed the house 134-2 (Jensen and Hawke voting against)

 

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The Yes campaign will receive $10 million in public funding plus another $10 million from the ALGA (money which comes from ratepayers). The No campaign is to receive just $500 000.

The government is using our money to essentially try to buy a constitutional change that increases their power.
 

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SMH said:
Coalition delivers blow to local government referendum's 'Yes' campaign

Bipartisan support for the local government referendum appears to have collapsed with Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne advising the Australia Local Government Association to call on Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to ''pull'' the upcoming vote.

This came after Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said he had ''enormous reservations'' about the referendum to recognise local government in the constitution, delivering a serious blow to the ''Yes'' campaign.

Constitutional expert Professor George Williams has previously noted the referendum will only succeed if there is strong support from the Coalition.

Mr Abbott told reporters in Melbourne on Tuesday that the referendum had been mishandled by the government, and encouraged voters to tick ''No'' if they had concerns about it.

He said Labor had ignored the advice of the committee that explored the issue, and had failed to properly consult state governments.

''This thing has been done badly and undemocratically,'' Mr Abbott said.

''I say to the Australian people, if you don't understand it, don't vote for it.''

In Adelaide on Tuesday, Mr Pyne - who is not the Coalition's spokesman on the matter - said the government had not laid the groundwork for the referendum to pass.
Mr Pyne said Labor had instead created the referendum as a ''distraction'' from its troubles.

''My advice to the Australian Local Government Association is they should ask the Prime Minister to pull the referendum ... because I believe it will be defeated under the current circumstances and if it is defeated a third time, no government will want to return to it again,'' he said.

Mr Pyne said people were confused about what was happening in Canberra, ''let alone being asked to pass a change on the Constitution''.

The Coalition's spokesman on local government, Barnaby Joyce, told Sky News shortly after Mr Pyne's doorstop that it was for the Local Government Association to ''determine where the best chances lie'' for the referendum.

While Senator Joyce has agreed to campaign for a ''Yes'' vote, he said its chances of success were being ''clouded by complete chaos''.

The referendum will ask voters whether or not they agree to the financial recognition of local government in the Constitution, amending section 96, which deals with financial assistance to the states.

This would guarantee the federal government's ability to directly fund local government projects such as the Roads to Recovery program, as well as services such as childcare, sporting fields, swimming pools and libraries.

In May, former prime minister Julia Gillard announced the referendum would be held in conjuction with the September 14 election.

It could still be held with a September 14 poll, or later. But now that the election date is due to change, there are question marks over the referendum.

The Coalition had already registered reservations about the local government vote.

When the Senate voted on the referendum last month, seven Coalition MPs crossed the floor to vote against the bill and about a dozen others abstained.

Last month, the government also revealed that the campaign against recognising local government in the constitution would receive one twentieth of the public funding allocated to the ''Yes'' case - a move that also angered some within the Coalition ranks.

The "No" case will receive $500,000 while the "Yes" case will get $10 million, which Anthony Albanese argued was allocated based on the level of support in the Parliament.
In May, the referendum bill passed the lower house, 134 votes to 2.

Australia does not have a strong history of supporting referendums. Similar attempts to recognise local government in 1974 and 1988 were not successful and only eight referendums out of 44 have been successful since 1906.

The Local Government Association has been contacted for comment.
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dnt lyk local councils local councils r cunts mmkay
 

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Rudd has confirmed that the referendum will not proceed.
 

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The Failed Referendum to Recognise Local Councils... Thoughts???

As some of you know, a referendum to broaden the scope of the grants power to include municipal councils was put on ice by the incumbent labor government...

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/05/local-council-referendum-postponed

the proposed reform was;

During a period of ten years after the establishment of the Commonwealth and thereafter until the Parliament otherwise provides, the Parliament may grant financial assistance to any State, or to any local government body formed by a law of a State, on such terms and conditions as the Parliament thinks fit.
Question I'm putting forward is, what are your thoughts about this??? Do you consider it an attack on the federalist system? Do you think local councils should just get fucked? Do you support it?

I personally think its a crock of shit; yet another power grab by the federal government...

but, I am keen to hear your thoughts about this issue...
 

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Re: The Failed Referendum to Recognise Local Councils... Thoughts???

Do you think local councils should just get fucked?

that one
 

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