no we are made of stardust, Carl Sagan made us not God
Your stardust is a contingent thing as it is given to motion and change and other occurentsrekt
big bang -> interstellar plasma -> stars -> supernovae -> star dust
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what caused the big bang? The Big Bang is an occurent event, thus it must have a cause, as all occurents have a cause
the big bang is a theory and its evidence is through observing an expanding universe, proving that the universe began from a singularity, God is an idea made by man.
Did you read my post where I refuted your views?rekt
Religion tells you that homosexuals should be killed, religion tells you that the world was created in 7 days which is CLEARLY false, religion tells you that god made people when they evolved over time. Religion is a man made construct to explain the unknown. Why do you think Jesus went UP to heaven? Because the people writing the bible at the time had limited knowledge of what was up in the sky so they tried to explain it by saying that heaven was up there. We've been up there, no heaven. Its really just a manifestation of the context.The monotheistic faiths claim to be a source of theological knowledge, religion tells you what is right or wrong, religion tells you that you are created by a creator, who is wholy perfect and wholy powerful.
Religion lays out a path towards the divine, religion gives us purpose to fulfill
Yeah some religious people definitely have bad and untenable beliefs, I agree, but that doesn't mean religion in general is bad or false.Religion tells you that homosexuals should be killed, religion tells you that the world was created in 7 days which is CLEARLY false, religion tells you that god made people when they evolved over time. Religion is a man made construct to explain the unknown. Why do you think Jesus went UP to heaven? Because the people writing the bible at the time had limited knowledge of what was up in the sky so they tried to explain it by saying that heaven was up there. We've been up there, no heaven. Its really just a manifestation of the context.
Is that the reason why there are so many theologians and philosophers and scientists who do believe in God? Are they all deficient in intellect and believe in things like a child? Or do you think they perhaps have reasons for their belief?The only reason religion exists today is because children are indoctrinated into these belief systems since a young age. If people approached religion with an adult ability to understand and reason, there would be very few religious people.
I think some of your demonstrative proofs are plausible. I did not enter this discussion with the stance of an atheist, mind you. However, the existing belief systems such as islam and christianity have moral, gendered and sexual ideologies that I think are absolutely incorrect, so I cannot believe in the associated gods. I do not mean any offence by this.Yeah some religious people definitely have bad and untenable beliefs, I agree, but that doesn't mean religion in general is bad or false.
If you really think that 1st century people thought that heaven was literally in the sky, then I think you have been misled, people were not that ignorant at that time.
Anyway I am not going to spend my time defending the Bible, this thread is about whether God exists, and I'm a Muslim.
Is that the reason why there are so many theologians and philosophers and scientists who do believe in God? Are they all deficient in intellect and believe in things like a child? Or do you think they perhaps have reasons for their belief?
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Do you really think religion is just a game or a joke? There are perhaps only a couple hundred million people who don't adhere to a religion in the entire world, is everyone else deficient in intellect?
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Nevertheless the status of religious people in general is largely irrelevant, what do you think about the demonstrative proofs that I have given for the existence of God?
in your opinionLol this thread is about the existence of God not disproving any religion so don't say you don't believe in God because a particular religion said the earth was created in 7 days. That doesn't disprove the existence of God, rather the religion.
No, it is literally truein your opinion
So your argument goes:I think some of your demonstrative proofs are plausible. I did not enter this discussion with the stance of an atheist, mind you. However, the existing belief systems such as islam and christianity have moral, gendered and sexual ideologies that I think are absolutely incorrect, so I cannot believe in the associated gods. I do not mean any offence by this.
yeah I guess youre rightSo your argument goes:
1 - If Islam or Christianity is true, then they ought to teach us morally good values
2 - Islam and Christianity teach bad moral values
3 - Therefore, Islam and Christianity are false
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The premise for dispute is premise number 2 (and as I will show, if you wish to press a defense of premise 2, you will call into doubt premise 1), if you say, there are certain laws in Islamic law that are barbaric, or backward, or are immoral, then this needs proof, you need to firstly:
- Give a framework for what is considered moral and ethical, objectively
- Show that under this conception of morality, that premise 1 of the original argument is true
- Show that this conception of morality is ultimate and is ultimately what we mean by morality
- Show that this morality contradicts the explicit teachings of scripture
1. The New Testament says to love one another. You're talking about rules from the OT. What happened is that the rules in the NT "replaced" the ones in the OT.Religion tells you that homosexuals should be killed, religion tells you that the world was created in 7 days which is CLEARLY false, religion tells you that god made people when they evolved over time. Religion is a man made construct to explain the unknown. Why do you think Jesus went UP to heaven? Because the people writing the bible at the time had limited knowledge of what was up in the sky so they tried to explain it by saying that heaven was up there. We've been up there, no heaven. Its really just a manifestation of the context.
The only reason religion exists today is because children are indoctrinated into these belief systems since a young age. If people approached religion with an adult ability to understand and reason, there would be very few religious people.