Year 10 Mathematics in Vietnam (3 Viewers)

[eyeseeyou]

tbh, I don't think I would want my children to do the HSC syllabus in general
would rather move or go the IB route

wtf y are we talking about your kids?

 

[eyeseeyou]

What if the HSC syllabus changes a lot in that time?

Well we all know for a fact, they're putting in statistics in maths, remmoving the area of study for english and putting in 3U phys+ 3U chem

 

[enoilgam]

Another issue that's causing this "maths issue" in Australia is students don't respect the fact that they're getting educated for and just fck around with their education (not saying everyone does). The Education industry is one of those industries that I don't think seem to get much respect as the other industries do and we need to change that. I know for a fact teachers on a day to day basis need to report in students who don't wear the right uniform (at my school) but the end of the day, it doesn't matter who wears uniform or what, it's about whether or not the student is getting educated properly and the teacher is doing the right thing by educating them

This might be straying a little off topic, but you have to understand the culture of Australia. A controversial opinion, but Australia doesnt reward or value hard work like China, India, Japan, Korea etc. In this country a good education is nowhere near as valued as it is in some countries. In Australia, you dont really need to work hard to earn a decent living and become reasonably wealthy. Going from uni to the workplace was a huge wake up call for me - I see it every day how people get places with no education and no work real work ethic. It's a sad fact, but Australia is a bludger's paradise. In my view, this issue with Mathematics education is largely a by-product of Australia's lax, easy going culture.

 

[Paradoxica]

This might be straying a little off topic, but you have to understand the culture of Australia. A controversial opinion, but Australia doesnt reward or value hard work like China, India, Japan, Korea etc. In this country a good education is nowhere near as valued as it is in some countries. In Australia, you dont really need to work hard to earn a decent living and become reasonably wealthy. Going from uni to the workplace was a huge wake up call for me - I see it every day how people get places with no education and no work real work ethic. It's a sad fact, but Australia is a bludger's paradise. In my view, this issue with Mathematics education is largely a by-product of Australia's lax, easy going culture.

Well I'm a bludger in everything but maths.

There's a counterexample to everything you know.

 

[eyeseeyou]

This might be straying a little off topic, but you have to understand the culture of Australia. A controversial opinion, but Australia doesnt reward or value hard work like China, India, Japan, Korea etc. In this country a good education is nowhere near as valued as it is in some countries. In Australia, you dont really need to work hard to earn a decent living and become reasonably wealthy. Going from uni to the workplace was a huge wake up call for me - I see it every day how people get places with no education and no work real work ethic. It's a sad fact, but Australia is a bludger's paradise. In my view, this issue with Mathematics education is largely a by-product of Australia's lax, easy going culture.

Bleh I guess you're right, there are lazy arseholes out there and there are ppl who waste so much time enjoying their life unnecessarily, it's not even funny, but if you compared us to USA or the UK, then...

 

[enoilgam]

Well I'm a bludger in everything but maths.

There's a counterexample to everything you know.

I was making more or less a sweeping generalisation about the culture of Australia.

 

[davidgoes4wce]

This might be straying a little off topic, but you have to understand the culture of Australia. A controversial opinion, but Australia doesnt reward or value hard work like China, India, Japan, Korea etc. In this country a good education is nowhere near as valued as it is in some countries. In Australia, you dont really need to work hard to earn a decent living and become reasonably wealthy. Going from uni to the workplace was a huge wake up call for me - I see it every day how people get places with no education and no work real work ethic. It's a sad fact, but Australia is a bludger's paradise. In my view, this issue with Mathematics education is largely a by-product of Australia's lax, easy going culture.

I kind of know what you meaning, I struggled to fit in the work culture coming from the school environment/university to the real world. Worked in a number of jobs like: mining and government role jobs. I do get the feeling that some people look down on you if you work too hard or study too hard in life. (But to me I don't really care, it's your life you do what you want) Even up until today I struggle at social events, interacting with people but Im slowly improving. It took me a good 6-7 years after high school to develop those interpersonal skills.

 

[Drongoski]

Countries like China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, India and Singapore have a tradition of not compromising the standard of their maths (and Physics, Chemistry etc). But countries like Australia (and many other Anglophone countries - they tend to learn from each other) tend to have a very soft and accommodating approach to education: they want to make them as accessible as possible - like, if you are really good in maths, we have 4U; if pretty good, we have 3U and if you are OK, there is 2U and if you find maths hard, we will cater to your needs as well - Maths General 2 and Maths General 1 (not examinable). If you really do not have the stomach for maths, you don't have to do it; there are over 100 other subjects you can choose from - the NSW HSC is a supermarket of subjects.

The fact that you can float to Yr 12 and do your HSC without any yearly qualifying hurdle - that I think is a very serious flaw.

Also as some people here may have alluded to, Australia does not value its academic talents - look at the shabby way academics are treated and renumerated. Did not Julia Gillard aspire to put Australia in the top 5 in the world? Got to be dreaming.

 

[eyeseeyou]

I kind of know what you meaning, I struggled to fit in the work culture coming from the school environment/university to the real world. Worked in a number of jobs like: mining and government role jobs. I do get the feeling that some people look down on you if you work too hard or study too hard in life. (But to me I don't really care, it's your life you do what you want) Even up until today I struggle at social events, interacting with people but Im slowly improving. It took me a good 6-7 years after high school to develop those interpersonal skills.

I guess you're like me. I don't socialise with ppl much

 

[eyeseeyou]

Countries like China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, India and Singapore have a tradition of not compromising the standard of their maths (and Physics, Chemistry etc). But countries like Australia (and many other Anglophone countries - they tend to learn from each other) tend to have a very soft and accommodating approach to education: they want to make them as accessible as possible - like, if you are really good in maths, we have 4U; if pretty good, we have 3U and if you are OK, there is 2U and if you find maths hard, we will cater to your needs as well - Maths General 2 and Maths General 1 (not examinable). If you really do not have the stomach for maths, you don't have to do it; there are over 100 other subjects you can choose from - the NSW HSC is a supermarket of subjects.

The fact that you can float to Yr 12 and do your HSC without any yearly qualifying hurdle - that I think is a very serious flaw.

Also as some people here may have alluded to, Australia does not value its academic talents - look at the shabby way academics are treated and renumerated. Did not Julia Gillard aspire to put Australia in the top 5 in the world? Got to be dreaming.

Yeah if you can see in those asian countries, there's like 60 kids all in a room cramped together, wheras if you look at Australia it's 25-30 (25 for seniors most bullshit rule ik) and those countries perform better despite having a major disadvantage whearas Australia, with small class sizes in order to ensure individual attention, still do ridiculuosly bad. Why not just cram 40 kids in a room in Australia if they can do that in another country (and that country is financially poorer than us and has more disadvantages than us)?

The Australian government needs to think more and do more research in to other countries rather than having classes of 25-30 students

 

[DatAtarLyfe]

I think its because in australia we're too spoilt for choice and we give the students too much freedom.
My maths teacher was telling that when she was in high school india, they didnt have levels like we do (2u, 3u and 4u) but they only had one level which was 4u level. So you other do maths and do 4u level or dont do maths at all. More often then not, everyone would do maths due social pressure. They also had like 40+ kids in one room.
What im trying to say is, just give them a straight yes/no choice, nothing in between.

Ofc this approach would fail if everyone chose to not do maths completely

 

[porcupinetree]

To be honest, I think the heart of the problem lies in the attitude of Australians towards education - and the actual educational system itself is influenced by this somewhat (e.g. it's possible not to do maths from year 10 onwards if you don't want to - the fact that this is the case is evidently a consequence of the 'soft and accommodating' (as Drongoski said) approach and attitude which Australians have). I highly doubt that changing the actual educational system itself (e.g. making it compulsory to do maths) would (significantly) increase Australia's success in terms of education - it's the attitude towards education which needs to be shifted (and which is a lot harder to change).

 

[Drongoski]

Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, 5 countries ranked above Australia in maths and science.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-smartest-countries-based-on-math-and-science-2015-5

Interesting little read that....

That ranking list is most misleading. It omitted China, which would easily be in the top 5 if not No 1.

If I'm not mistaken, in the most recent OECD PISA survey: Shanghai (China) came out 1st in all 3 categories - Maths, Reading and Science. Of course Shanghai is not the whole of China, and also China, not being an OECD country, did not take part in the earlier 4 PISAs.

 

[Drongoski]

In the above listing Singapore was placed 1st.

That reminds me that the current Prime Minister of Singapore, Lee Hsien Loong, the son of the late Lee Kuan Yew was the 1973 Senior Wrangler. Know what that is? Well, the senior wrangler is the top mathematics undergraduate of the University of Cambridge. It has been one of the most prestigious academic achievements in England for over 200 years now??

 

[eyeseeyou]

I think the main reason why Australia's education system is 'bad' is because from a very young age, children don't value their education as much as their childhood fun. Although children need to have both, why not make education fun for them? Also it's pretty apalling how NSW runs their system of education (i.e. individual attention, class limits, "super qualified teachers", etc) yet if you look at other countries without any of this bullcrap, they're doing a thousand times better than Australia. Also adults don't value their education as much and neither do they value the education of others (i.e children) which is another reason why (in my opinion) Australia's system isn't great. Also other countries force you do to specific subjects (e.g. maths, physics and chemistry) wheras here, you are given the freedom to do whatever you want which drags down the standard of Australia's education system. Also exams in Australia must be of a specific difficulty, but look at other countries and look at how much harder their exams are. Topics in Australia must be taught of a specific level and depth but look at other countries and how fast they teach (and how much better they do than us). The good side of education in Australia is that you have the chance and opportunity wheras for other coutries it's harder (due to issues such as financial)

Also they should make extension 1 and 2 maths compulsory to all students no matter what

 

[eyeseeyou]

Also in order to improve the education standards of Australia, they need to start introducing these "elective choices early" and then when it comes to year 11 and 12, make certain subjects compulsory. E.g. the electives in year 9-10 should be introduced in year 7 and just year 7, in year 8, they should start introducing in Prelim and HSC elective, all to be completed in one year (For a science subject like senior science or Bio, do the practicals in class and make all the students do all the work at home)-same with year 9 and 10 and then in year 12, they will do the compulsory high scaling combo (i.e. Advanced English, extension 1 and 2 maths, Physics, Chemistry). If you wanna do something else, too bad that should've been done in year 8-10 (including humanities)

 

[Nailgun]

I think the main reason why Australia's education system is 'bad' is because from a very young age, children don't value their education as much as their childhood fun. Although children need to have both, why not make education fun for them? Also it's pretty apalling how NSW runs their system of education (i.e. individual attention, class limits, "super qualified teachers", etc) yet if you look at other countries without any of this bullcrap, they're doing a thousand times better than Australia. Also adults don't value their education as much and neither do they value the education of others (i.e children) which is another reason why (in my opinion) Australia's system isn't great. Also other countries force you do to specific subjects (e.g. maths, physics and chemistry) wheras here, you are given the freedom to do whatever you want which drags down the standard of Australia's education system. Also exams in Australia must be of a specific difficulty, but look at other countries and look at how much harder their exams are. Topics in Australia must be taught of a specific level and depth but look at other countries and how fast they teach (and how much better they do than us). The good side of education in Australia is that you have the chance and opportunity wheras for other coutries it's harder (due to issues such as financial)

Also they should make extension 1 and 2 maths compulsory to all students no matter what

Also in order to improve the education standards of Australia, they need to start introducing these "elective choices early" and then when it comes to year 11 and 12, make certain subjects compulsory. E.g. the electives in year 9-10 should be introduced in year 7 and just year 7, in year 8, they should start introducing in Prelim and HSC elective, all to be completed in one year (For a science subject like senior science or Bio, do the practicals in class and make all the students do all the work at home)-same with year 9 and 10 and then in year 12, they will do the compulsory high scaling combo (i.e. Advanced English, extension 1 and 2 maths, Physics, Chemistry). If you wanna do something else, too bad that should've been done in year 8-10 (including humanities)

 

[eyeseeyou]

Don't accuse me of my comments, look at others and speak for yourself m8

 

[eyeseeyou]

I'm just wondering, would they teach statistics in high school in Vietnam?

 

[Orwell]

I haven't laughed this hard in a while.