Does God exist? (7 Viewers)

[Coconut1]

This passage came up yesterday and may I say perfect timing,

St. Paul's Letter to the Philippians 2:5-11
Brethren, have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[yooook]

i am god

 

[Coconut1]

i am god

Do you believe in God?

 

[yooook]

Do you believe in God?

did god get a 90+ atar?

No, i don't think he did.

therefore I am god

 

[Coconut1]

How do you know there wasn't a possibility of you getting 95+ with the power of God

 

[yooook]

i do believe in god or a higher being, but i alo believ in science.

so big confusion

 

[idkkdi]

i do believe in god or a higher being, but i alo believ in science.

so big confusion

you don't have to believe in science, you can see it.

God on the other hand won't reveal his face no matter what I do.

 

[Coconut1]

i do believe in god or a higher being, but i alo believ in science.

so big confusion

God is the creator of all things, if he wanted the world to end right now it would happen. Explaining these scenarios for example a meteoroid hit earth may explain how it happens but not why it happens. God is the reason why it happens and finding out the whole reason of why God has done this is the purpose of life. For example, why are we here instead of how are we here would help us discover answers for the future instead of going back into the past.

 

[Coconut1]

you don't have to believe in science, you can see it.

God on the other hand won't reveal his face no matter what I do.

Trust me if you have faith as little as a mustard seed you will be able to move mountains

 

[Coconut1]

i do believe in god or a higher being, but i alo believ in science.

so big confusion

Jesus was put on earth to also show God has control of all things, and how he defied science and resurrected Christ body and soul. Jesus healed. many people and performed many miracles that science will not explain because we are Humans and are unable to comprehend these things. But God didn't create us so we can discover god through science but through our own soul because there is a God shaped heart in every person. You don't need to be smart you just need love. Pray from your heart and trust me what you ask you will receive.

 

[yooook]

Jesus was put on earth to also show God has control of all things, and how he defied science and resurrected Christ body and soul. Jesus healed. many people and performed many miracles that science will not explain because we are Humans and are unable to comprehend these things. But God didn't create us so we can discover god through science but through our own soul because there is a God shaped heart in every person. You don't need to be smart you just need love. Pray from your heart and trust me what you ask you will receive.

i ask for 1 million $ right now, so give i am praying for it right nowwwwwwww

 

[Coconut1]

i ask for 1 million $ right now, so give i am praying for it right nowwwwwwww

okay, if you pray from the depths of your heart and truly have faith you shall receive maybe now, maybe never, God knows the perfect timing

 

[yooook]

r u christian?

 

[idkkdi]

okay, if you pray from the depths of your heart and truly have faith you shall receive maybe now, maybe never, God knows the perfect timing

@dan964
Bruh, I'm pretty sure your idea of God was way different from Coconut1's ngl. She's more hardcore right?

 

[dan964]

@dan964
Bruh, I'm pretty sure your idea of God was way different from Coconut1's ngl. She's more hardcore right?

I think what you are comparing are different rationales. one is that of a mystical (perhaps eastern orthodox) vs. an evangelical protestant Christian.

i have some common ground with her (e.g. we both affirm the Trinity), but also a lot of differences, particularly emphasis and understanding about miracles. tbh, she has said some weird stuff about holy fire that I don't necessarily agree with (although fun fact, I have actually been to that church in Jerusalem).

another e.g. if you pray to God for $1 million dollars - I would answer that Q with: no God will not answer that prayer, because that prayer is ultimately selfish, and also with prayer, it helps to know what God wants of us and for us (and I believe Coconut1 and I would disagree on that).

Evangelicals, which is what I would say that I am part of is fairly 'hardcore', in the sense of people being passionate about what they believe in, and desiring to share it with others. Our emphasis is very different though, less about signs, miracles, weird fire, (or even traditions), in knowing and encountering God

while I take the view (along with others) that we believe to be consistent with what the Bible says, that is we know God through the Bible which is primarily about his Son Jesus. And so our emphasis is more about the gospel, the good news of who Jesus is and what Jesus has done to save us.

e.g.
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

If you want to know and encounter God, the Father, you do so by encountering Jesus (also God) who saves us, and how do you encounter Jesus, by the Spirit (God) who inspires the words of Scripture (i.e. the whole of the Trinity is involved, in helping one to know God) and indeed helps us understand the gospel.

So there is your difference
- One emphasises the work of the Spirit primarily in the work of the miraculous or mystical experiences (which I would add is unverifiable)
- The other emphasis is in the sure and tested Spirit-breathed/inspired word of the Scriptures (Bible) and the work of the Trinity (triune God) in saving people through Jesus.
(mine is the latter)

 

[jojosiwa123]

This passage came up yesterday and may I say perfect timing,

St. Paul's Letter to the Philippians 2:5-11
Brethren, have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I still don't get the trinity...this passage contradicts itself by saying Jesus did not count equality with God and then saying christ is the Lord...

 

[jojosiwa123]

i do believe in god or a higher being, but i alo believ in science.

so big confusion

idk I think God and science can co-exist, at least in Islam they can i'm not sure about the other religions. like the idea of evolution or the big bang theory etc I know many christians who don't believe in those but personally I don't see why those things couldn't co-exist w religion... if you believe in God's power you should have the capacity to believe that he could have made those things happen if that makes sense...

 

[dan964]

I still don't get the trinity...this passage contradicts itself by saying Jesus did not count equality with God and then saying christ is the Lord...

my suggestion is not to try to get the Trinity purely intellectually, otherwise you'll struggle and never get it.
you need to wrestle with Jesus, and his death (death on a cross), and read the text and ask the questions the text leads you to ask about who Jesus is...

e.g. when I read that passage I have the following questions:
1. what does it mean for Jesus to have the very 'form' as God?

2. what does it mean for Jesus not to 'count' this equality as something to be grasped?

3. why did Jesus do this, make himself humble and obedient even to death on a cross?

4. what justification did God have for raising Jesus back up and seating him above everyone else?

If you get lost intellectually, don't start with the Trinity, start with Jesus and his death on the cross, and ask the serious questions, what does this mean, what actually is accomplished here, and who is this man?

 

[dan964]

idk I think God and science can co-exist, at least in Islam they can i'm not sure about the other religions. like the idea of evolution or the big bang theory etc I know many christians who don't believe in those but personally I don't see why those things couldn't co-exist w religion... if you believe in God's power you should have the capacity to believe that he could have made those things happen if that makes sense...

Islam can have its problematic science v. God passages (passages which if taken purely on face value and misunderstood, can be scientifically erroneous. You can look up any atheist website and they will happily list off religious passages, which to them, seem like contradictions between science and religion.

re: Christians and evolution. I would agree that God is capable of using natural processes such as 'evolution' in bringing things about, BUT I would disagree that current evolutionary theory in its current form and with its assumptions and implications is correct.

Indeed natural processes (physical/chemical) cannot account for non-physical concepts such as language and information. Nor does evolution have explanatory power for the origins NOR the understanding of what it means for something to be living / consciousness.

I am of the strong opinion, that only the Christian worldview gives the proper tools and concepts to have a rational basis for science and for some of the important concepts that Western society is built on.

 

[Coconut1]

another e.g. if you pray to God for $1 million dollars - I would answer that Q with: no God will not answer that prayer, because that prayer is ultimately selfish, and also with prayer, it helps to know what God wants of us and for us (and I believe Coconut1 and I would disagree on that).

You actually explained that perfectly, what I mean't to say was nothing is impossible with God , for example if you needed that 1 million to make a church or help an orphanage whose to say God won't say yes. But in terms of wanting 1 million as a sign he is there, yes that probably will not happen as the example Dan964 explained.

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

But if you have faith you are able to do anything.