What are your thoughts on the NSW education system? (7 Viewers)

[katiekms]

moving to rural areas is a really big thing bru
a rich city person isn't gonna move to a rural area just for an easier chance to get into med (usually)
rural education gives you a disadvantage, sure, however, it's way easier to be competitive for med as a rural student
the disadvantage from being rural isn't greater than the difference between a 99.5 and a 91

i think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree

 

[WeiWeiMan]

i think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree

eh sure

 

[jonolad69]

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lol matrix education calculator. nice gotcha

 

[Average Boreduser]

yeah i can see how that would help in a way. but also, you’ve gotta think about how if a rural person messes up, they mess up BIG TIME as rural schools are usually ranked very low and so not being ranked first or in like the top 3 means it’s basically certain you can’t get a band 6. whereas in urban, higher ranked schools, they get way more band 6s so even if they mess up they have more people to fall back on. my school in the past 8 years has gotten 0-8 band sixes TOTAL each year. there was like 3 years with no band 6s at all. forgive me if it doesn’t seem much easier as a rural student. obviously i get where you’re coming from though.

I think I already said this, but just to make my point concrete, I have been to a rural school before. Majority of the students I have witnessed have one thing in common. Lack of motivation. If you have motivation to do well, it is INFINITESIMALLY easier to have a chance into med as opposed to an urban student who has to go through hell to b6 all their subjects to have a 0.01% chance of getting an interview. My tutor was talking about how students with 90 atars got into UNSW medicine with reasonably low ucat percentiles. And in all honesty, I know students who have achieved 99.85s in 400+ ranked schools so its definately not impossible to get a crazy high atar let alone a 90. If you learn how to gather resources, possibly get tutoring (I did dr du online when I was rural and that got me 1st rank in the prelims in my old school), maintain your time wisely, maybe pick subjects that you both enjoy and scale well, then nothing will stop you. I don't think its a matter of 'oh I disagree, this is all your opinions'. It's simply fact. Urban students are significantly more disadvantaged in the journey to medicine.

moving to rural areas is a really big thing bru
a rich city person isn't gonna move to a rural area just for an easier chance to get into med (usually)
rural education gives you a disadvantage, sure, however, it's way easier to be competitive for med as a rural student
the disadvantage from being rural isn't greater than the difference between a 99.5 and a 91

There are also less jobs which is one of the reasons why my family moved this yr. All the clinics were bulk billed n shite, honestly not something you want to do esp w a career that demands full attention. Medical practitioners are overstaffed and the clients in clinics are usually older (as the older generation usually migrate to more rural areas) and therefore harder cases. This is simply not feasible for a healthy balance between work and life.

 

[WeiWeiMan]

I think I already said this, but just to make my point concrete, I have been to a rural school before. Majority of the students I have witnessed have one thing in common. Lack of motivation. If you have motivation to do well, it is INFINITESIMALLY easier to have a chance into med as opposed to an urban student who has to go through hell to b6 all their subjects to have a 0.01% chance of getting an interview. My tutor was talking about how students with 90 atars got into UNSW medicine with reasonably low ucat percentiles. And in all honesty, I know students who have achieved 99.85s in 400+ ranked schools so its definately not impossible to get a high atar. If you learn how to gather resources, possibly get tutoring (I did dr du online when I was rural and that got me 1st rank in the prelims in my old school), maintain your time wisely, maybe pick subjects that you both enjoy and scale well, then nothing will stop you. I don't think its a matter of 'oh I disagree, this is all your opinions'. It's simply fact. Urban students are significantly more disadvantaged in the journey to medicine.


There are also less jobs which is one of the reasons why my family moved this yr. All the clinics were bulk billed n shite, honestly not something you want to do esp w a career that demands full attention. Medical practitioners are overstaffed and the clients in clinics are usually older (as the older generation usually migrate to more rural areas) and therefore harder cases. This is simply not feasible for a healthy balance between work and life.

ngl, im pre sure doctors generally make more in regional areas
even so, not everyone comes from a medical background and thus, that barely even applies
also ong bos and conquerhsc exist

 

[Average Boreduser]

ngl, im pre sure doctors generally make more in regional areas
even so, not everyone comes from a medical background and thus, that barely even applies
also ong bos and conquerhsc exist

Nah my dad had it hard asf for some reason. It's bc the clients are older and they all have crazy complex cases. It gets really tiring for him, esp since doctors there get paid w how many patients they see not hourly.

 

[WeiWeiMan]

Nah my dad has it hard asf for some reason. It's bc the clients are older and they all have crazy complex cases. It gets really tiring for him, esp since doctors there get paid w how many patients they see not hourly.

is your dad a gp?

 

[Average Boreduser]

is your dad a gp?

yh

 

[WeiWeiMan]

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i'd also like to add

 

[Average Boreduser]

ngl, im pre sure doctors generally make more in regional areas
even so, not everyone comes from a medical background and thus, that barely even applies
also ong bos and conquerhsc exist

yea mb. Forgot to add the fact I was listing examples. I'm not jsut talking medical field either. Like engineering asw, one of my friends from my old school couldn't stay bc his dad couldn't find a job there. All in all theres only really building infrastructure jobs and crap that flourishes in rural areas.

 

[katiekms]

If you learn how to gather resources, possibly get tutoring (I did dr du online when I was rural and that got me 1st rank in the prelims in my old school), maintain your time wisely, maybe pick subjects that you both enjoy and scale well, then nothing will stop you.

tutoring costs money. the only reason i can get tutoring is because i got a scholarship that pays for it, but even with that, it can only get me 25 min sessions for two subjects once a week, and costs like a quarter of the price of dr du. the tutoring i get is not very quality. but obviously i have to make do. also picking subjects that scale well is not as easy as you make it out to be - nobody at my school even knew about how scaling worked or atars or anything like that, we only chose what we enjoyed. i only really learned about stuff like that this year.

 

[katiekms]

i'd also like to add
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what is this adding?

 

[Bastani]

what is this adding?

idk its a cool number ig

 

[WeiWeiMan]

what is this adding?

with your subjects, even a 96 in everything wouldn't be enough from the city

 

[jonolad69]

what is this adding?

‘you’re slow in the head

 

[Bastani]

‘you’re slow in the head

thanks

 

[beanbug]

lol this maybe only applies to top 80 schools wtf are u talking about

and the top 80 schools are literally all in a city???? there are only three country schools in the top 100, and like 15 in the top 200, and those country schools are either private or selective. my old school in the country was literally so bad we weren't even ranked lmao

 

[Bastani]

and the top 80 schools are literally all in a city???? there are only three country schools in the top 100, and like 15 in the top 200, and those country schools are either private or selective. my old school in the country was literally so bad we weren't even ranked lmao

yh thats honestly a you problem if you live rurally

 

[arcadian]

its unfair to reduce atar cutoffs for uni entry bc that's just a bandaid solution. the issue at the very root is that the quality of teaching and culture of learning is very poor. why would you mitigate when you can just fix it from the bottom? less effort for govt ig bc the threshold of success is lower

 

[Bastani]

its unfair to reduce atar cutoffs for uni entry bc that's just a bandaid solution. the issue at the very root is that the quality of teaching and culture of learning is very poor. why would you mitigate when you can just fix it from the bottom? less effort for govt ig bc the threshold of success is lower

Nah i think that rural students should have the same cutoffs as urban students to make it fair