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Ha ha, me too! I'm feeling the ice crack beneath my feat :p

Well that's kinda the point. Why when we are both raised via evolutionary processes, should we be any different in this regard? I suppose it will go into the complexities of our self awareness and then we have to stop debating because we all have no clue :(

It would be interesting to find out hey? I think he would believe that many things are right and wrong. ie, I think I would know it was wrong to murder or to torture a child. Do you disagree?

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But why do I empathize and feel sorry for anyone else but myself under an evolutionary system of morality? Does a fish feel sorry for another fish when it is caught?

Sure. Because, there is no other appropriate answer to the origin of objective morality. Well obviously, if we take away everything then I cannot prove to you that rape is wrong via objective morality. This is for two reasons: a) Objective morality would exist regardless of whether I believed...

Well of course, but this isn't' saying much because if God doesn't exist, then I would agree that subjective morality is no better then objective morality, since both of them would be human constructs and have no real truth value. Tying it back again to our original starting point, if only...

The section bolded is contradictory to what you have stated above it. You go on to try and show that there is nothing actually wrong with rape and its "wrongness" is a construct of society but then claim that objective morality does exist? By its very definition, objective morality exists...

Sure, there can be good deeds - but they do not actually have any value of goodness apart from that which you personally assign to them (whether this comes from evolution, upbringing etc). When you accept subjective morality (as you seemingly must under atheism) you must also accept that there...

I think you may be confusing the sort of objective morality I am talking about. When I say objective morality, I am talking about morality which is true regardless of whether people believe it or not. Objective morality is independent of peoples beliefs. This is to say that if something is wrong...

Ha ha, aren't we all :p

I think both of you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying that an atheists morally "good" acts are worthless. I was saying that under an atheists own views there can be no such thing as good deeds since objective morality does not exist - they are neutral and worth nothing...

I'm saying that "good" deeds performed in a place where no objective morality exists (as is what the atheist believes) have no value because right and wrong have no objective meaning - they are neutral words describing a personal construction of meaning. They have no intrinsic value or worth...

Ha ha, I did see that, but thought I must have missed it in the initial post :P Oh well, all is good.

Under the atheist view, these acts are worthless. At best they satisfy some personally conjured up sense of morality. Under the Christian view, I don't think I would regard these acts as worthless - at least not in the sense that you seem to be interpreting. To me, morally good acts will have...

I have, and will continue to :) Also, not sure why you've re-edited your question about whether I am a Christian - but I'll answer anyway in the affirmative - yes I am.

Agreed - but I find it is the best position when lacking definitive proof. Either way, I find that we almost exclusively choose to believe what is most reasonable to us in everyday situations all the time. ie. I find it most reasonable to assume that the fastest way of driving somewhere on a...

I don't mind if emy disagrees with me. Opinions are opinions and will vary from christian to christian (as they would from atheist to atheist). All I'm really trying to point out is that not all Christians subscribe to the belief in young earth creation - so labeling us as such, does not seem...

I'm wondering why we seem to be under the impression that Christianity says the earth is 6000 years old, and was created in a literal 7 days. As far as I can tell, this is not a position that even most Christian apologists hold today. Certainly I do not. This is because the Hebrew word for...

This thread makes me want to cry at the moment :(