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Bolded section highlights where my thoughts were already going exactly. Genetic fallacy didn't seem all that appropriate because if evolution is the reason for morality, then it must have had an impact on the meaning and origins of such morality. The only way around this that I can see, is what...

I'll dissect this one. While yes, under Christianity one characteristic of God is his omnipotence. This doesn't allow him to do things which are logically incoherent (such as creating square circles). I regard this in much the same sense, as God simply allowing people to go to heaven when it is...

All that I was really pointing out was that, regardless of people's current moral beliefs, this does not disprove objective morality - since objective morality is independent of what people believe. Also, how do you feel about the proposal that evolutionary based morality falls prey to the...

Oh oh, now you've done it ... snap

Ha ha, this was gold. Reminds me of an episode of Scrubs where they test if a baby is gay by playing YMCA and seeing if it dances :P On a more serious note though, the answer to your question would be a no, since the bible does not condemn homosexuals, but homosexual acts. Killing a human for...

No, I don't think it's really that as Pascal's wager has more to do with reward and punishment. Rather, for me, I fail to see how life without God can have any meaning or purpose - it all seems worthless in my mind. It is because of this, that I sway in the position of preferring a belief that...

Seems, that I am on the other side of the fence, regarding my philosophical position as agnostic and everyday life as Christian.

You're a lot closer to home than what I expected! I thought you were down in Sydney somewhere :P

Thankyou for painfully reminding me why I am often hesitant to be frank and honest with people on bos.

I suppose it comes back to the whole suffering argument then?

This is making the assumption though that our belief in certain moral actions are accurate in their morality - hence why objective morality could not be true, if we are always accurate in our moral beliefs. The problem then is that objective morality is, by it's nature, not defined by humans. To...

Without a doubt this is a simple solution but I have to admit that I don't think most people hold this view at all - at least not practically in real life. If this were the solution that we propose, I don't see how anyone could ever passionatley argue that there belief system is "better" than...

I'm pretty sure this is where properly basic beliefs come into play. Going to the extent that we actually imagine that we are in a simulated universe means we can begin to doubt every foundation of our knowledge.

Although views are certainly subject to change, at the moment my beliefs being centered in the Christian God are for a few reasons. 1. The person of Jesus and the records that are taken of him seem reasonable enough to regard as historical. With this in mind, looking at what Jesus came to do...

Sure, if by knowing you mean having empirical proof for. I don't see how this disqualifies my point though. If real objective morality does exist, then it could very well be that people are trying to grapple with it, even if they have no such empirical proof of that objective morality. That...

I'll try and answer properly tomorrow Kwayera but you may have to redefine what you mean for me exactly. Why are the bible and Jesus founded in the Christian God? I thought that was pretty self explanatory, so I assume you must mean something else that I'm not quite understanding. Anyway, I'm...

I think we're actually in agreement here so I will make one change to that last statement before I back it with my full endorsement :P "The point is merely that people can act as though 'real' value is apparent even in the mind of someone who holds something to be of no real value." Two things...

I don't actually go to uni (although I am flattered that you think I do!). I don't know how well I would go in a real life formal debate without even going to uni. I imagine I would be dismissed before I even spoke a word :P

Well you've lost me because I often find myself thinking that things such as diamonds, possessions and money aren't really worth anything. I certainly don't place them in line with the same type of value I regard human life. In fact, usually people that do this are regarded as morally...

I think we may be confusing the sorts of value we are talking about. I doubt most people think of the value of a diamond in the same terms as they do human life. Human life has intrinsic value - it is not regarded as a means to an end, rather it is end unto itself. Now with this in mind, I...