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Sprang from nothing? Our universe in some form has always existed, it has however changed form since time began around 13.7 billion years ago. To ask where it came from is silly because questions such as these only make sense within space/time. Alternatively an atheist might simply... not know...

Fine. If faith is just hope then you don't really believe God exists, you're engaging yourself in fantasy because you hope it's true. You could just save atheists the trouble and say this, it means we're both atheists (you don't believe in a god) I'm just more comitted to living reality, even if...

It continues to bolster in my mind that Dennett is right: 'Belief' in God isn't a "real" belief at all, a belief at the very least requires some reasoning to it.... when you have no reasoning for a belief I would just call it a 'hope'.

They will make arguments such as the cosmological argument etc... Or they'll have a conception of God which is perhaps harder to take issue with (often though I find this is just a game, you can't pin their god down to anything and when you do find a flaw he'll just lose that aspect of his...

Honestly this is utterly hilarious. Are you theists really saying that all you have in the end, in defense of your beliefs is 'nothing' but you believe it because 'somehow/I don't know how'? Hilarious. If you guys really want to take up such a position go ahead, but I call victory. When the...

Well the same words, but of course there has been 'revisions' on the meanings of these words by every single papal congregation since the church began.

............................................yes and the catholic church has been struggling to keep youth in its ranks for decades.

Don't forget the picking and choosing of thousands of theological bodies of men... Bring forward the argument then... if there is no argument I don't even understand what you're saying. To humour you I'll read the link. edit: I had a quick skim through it... why the fuck would you make me...

You don't seem to be bringing forth any points... I have no desire to talk shit.

If I get a job in p&g's legal department will you have lunch with me every day?

inasero, do you accept that your arguments could be used by someone to believe in the FSM with equal validity? If so, I don't really want to talk about anything more... I consider that if you believe your belief in God is only as equally justified as that that I agree, the end. If you want to...

No, summarise the argument for me... TBQH I detest visiting populist christian apologetic websites because they write so much meaningless rhetorical dribble around the argument that it becomes rather tedious.

Yes but reading the bible doesn't tell you anything, it is incredibly flawed.

The 'system of logic' is what I take greatest issue with, it is terrible.

How did he act? Fred Phelps thinks you're an ungodly sinner who doesn't act at all like Christ. Prove him wrong... It's impossible. 'good' 'loving' 'peaceful etc etc etc these are all such subjective terms and despite I'm sure your belief that you know the 'true' jesus every other christian...

but what does it mean to be 'christlike'?

I don't view religion as corrupt, I don't see it as an objective thing that exists which can be corrupted (i.e. there is no 'true' christianity). I view the thinking which leads to or at least seems to closely accompany religious belief as 'corrupt', for example your decision that there's no...

I'm sorry but much of what is wrong with religion I see as merely a result of the deeper problem which is the underlying thinking, the modus operandi (in your case a dogmatic, ignorant one... I mean this with no personal disrespect). This is why I will often argue against other atheists when...

Christianity actively impinges on my world (i.e. Creationism in schools, Separation of church and state etc etc). I also dislike the way faith is used by some people to rip others off or to hurt people (i.e. 'faith healing' / 'miracle water'). Personally I also have a great hunger for the truth...

If you want to believe in God and just believe and say you don't need justifications then go ahead, it is utter dogmatism though and if this is what the intellectual debate from theists is coming to I'm saddened.