2007 State Election - Labor or the Coalition/Iemma or Debnam? (2 Viewers)

[bshoc]

now now, don't get too cocky. don't forget that there's a world outside of the north shore, and by the looks of things its a lot bigger, and led the alp to victory.

That "world" swung against Labor, though unfortunately not as much. Still, after this election the North Shore, Northern Beaches and Vacluse have become to the Libs what Western Sydney is to Labor, 70-30 safe seats.

With the exception of my own seat, the only North Shore seat to vote Labor, although I guarantee you if it wasn't Watkins running, Ryde would be blue right now too.

'Tis true, 'tis true. Then again, I wouldn't have expected that workchoices would have made much of a difference in any of the Bennelong state electorates. I figure that at federal, people in those electorates would swing away from Howard on moral issues (Hicks, Iraq etc), which were a non-factor in state.

No they (we) won't .. people here couldn't give two cents about Hicks and have enough counting ability to know that 100/200000 isn't exactly a contribution ratio worth bitching about.


Is it any surpise that the districts that vote in Labor are the most crime ridden, western sydney places most people wouldn't live in if given the choice? Probably not.

 

[bshoc]

Awww, the system is flawed because the party you wanted to win didn't win? Awww, poor wittle baby.

I think that the people didn't want to vote Liberal/National because they thought they were an inadequate opposition. Not because they are stupid, as you put it.

Honestly, the coalition failed. Democracy has spoken. Instead of bitching about how people are stupid, spend the next four years criticising the government. Try and convince people to vote Liberal yourself, too. Don't just sulk.

No, Democracy has failed, as the purpose of democracy is to make sure that corrupt pure failures like Iemma, Costa, Watkins, Tripodi etc. don't get re-elected.

Instead Labor partisans once again prove that enough stupid people voting one way for the sake of nothing more than a party name can produce the worst possible results.

It was the duty of NSW to throw out this worthless government, and NSW failed. Anybody who voted Labor in this election should get their vote revoked, what happned last night was beyond stupid.

 

[Optophobia]

Is it any surpise that the districts that vote in Labor are the most crime ridden, western sydney places most people wouldn't live in if given the choice? Probably not.

crime ridden = voting labor?

Therefore, more than 50% of the state is crime ridden.

Therefore, GTFO and go live in Southern USA where you belong.

While where at it (stereotyping/generalising), is it any surprise that the liberals are 1950's style clothe wearing, pearl necklace wearing, powdered face, ignorant, pseudo-posh accent, stuck up arse sluts like Pru Goward and Kerry Chickarovski?

It's sad that anybody besides the liberal candidates themselves voted Liberal, because that's all that they stand for.

 

[wheredanton]

Anybody who voted Labor in this election should get their vote revoked, what happned last night was beyond stupid.

Someone has their bright pink panties in a knot.

Cry harder, seriously.

 

[bshoc]

crime ridden = voting labor?

Therefore, more than 50% of the state is crime ridden.

No, but its no surprise that the more successful people in the state vote liberal, and all the refuse make us have to put up with Labor.

Therefore, GTFO and go live in Southern USA where you belong.

Right after you move to Beijing.

While where at it (stereotyping/generalising), is it any surprise that the liberals are 1950's style clothe wearing, pearl necklace wearing, powdered face, ignorant, pseudo-posh accent, stuck up arse sluts like Pru Goward and Kerry Chickarovski?

It's sad that anybody besides the liberal candidates themselves voted Liberal, because that's all that they stand for.

You mean is it any surprise that people decent and succesful enough to afford a house outside western sydney vote Liberal? Not at all.

 

[bshoc]

Someone has their bright pink panties in a knot.

Cry harder, seriously.

I think I'll let you do that - after Iemma finishes destroying our roads, state economy, public transport and police.

And thats going to hit the Labor electorates alot harder than the Liberal ones, but the morons will keep voting Labor, guess they'll be getting what they deserve.

 

[poloktim]

No, Democracy has failed, as the purpose of democracy is to make sure that corrupt pure failures like Iemma, Costa, Watkins, Tripodi etc. don't get re-elected.

The purpose of democracy is to give the populace a say in what/who they want leading them based on policies and other.

Instead Labor partisans once again prove that enough stupid people voting one way for the sake of nothing more than a party name can produce the worst possible results.

As opposed to those of the Liberal faithful, voting for the Liberal party simply because of its name, and the fact they're Liberal faithful?
We've seen the worst possible results with this one on the Federal level, too.

It was the duty of NSW to throw out this worthless government, and NSW failed. Anybody who voted Labor in this election should get their vote revoked, what happned last night was beyond stupid.

No, it was the duty of NSW to vote on who they wanted to represent them in parliament. Based on that, who to represent them all up in the state. They did that.

Next:

I was wondering what your take on this was. Whenever something you agree with happens "the majority wants it." Then if you don't agree "people are stupid." You can't have it both ways.

This is clearly a case of "people who don't think like me are idiots."

Instead of attacking those who voted Labor, you could spend your time attacking the Labor party. When you directly attack somebody's opinion, by call ing it wrong, people tend to defend it. If you criticise the Labor party, thus indirectly attacking the opinion of the majority then they're more receptive to see what you mean.

Deal with the next four years as best you can. Criticise government opinions, show your views for all to see. Be the next Piers Ackerman (just please use language that criticises, but isn't blatantly rude). Show the majority what you think, and why you think the status quo should change. Don't attack those who have different opinions. Don't call them wrong, that'll only strengthen their resolve to keep that opinion.

Alternatively move to the next state to run an election, then campaign for the Liberal/National coalition.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

No, Democracy has failed, as the purpose of democracy is to make sure that corrupt pure failures like Iemma, Costa, Watkins, Tripodi etc. don't get re-elected.

Even if they feel the alternative is worse? Bshoc's democracy sounds stupid.

 

[bshoc]

Even if they feel the alternative is worse? Bshoc's democracy sounds stupid.

You cannot get worse than rock bottom, Save Our Suburbs would have probably run a better government than Iemma Labor.

No the alternative was not worse - the Liberals were potential success - as opposed to proven failure.

 

[wheredanton]

I think I'll let you do that - after Iemma finishes destroying our roads, state economy, public transport and police.

My roads and trains haven't really changed much ever, regardless of what government was in. My trains run pretty much on time, crime isn't an issue in my area and the pacific highway has been crap and will continue to be crap for many many years to come regardless of what government is in.

The very nature of modern small government means no government Liberal and now Labor will never go into the black to create infrastructure.

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I have an idea Bshoc! Stage a revolution!

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You cannot get worse than rock bottom, Save Our Suburbs would have probably run a better government than Iemma Labor.

They're not rock bottom... I'm not happy myself, but you're just trying to exaggerate the situation to prove your point. Thus, as they're not rock bottom - People realise it could be worse.

No the alternative was not worse - the Liberals were potential success - as opposed to proven failure.

Maybe you think the alternative was not worse, I might agree, but you were claiming democracy has necessarily failed if we re-elect 'corrupt' politicians - I say not true as it's possible the alternative was worse.

 

[bshoc]

The purpose of democracy is to give the populace a say in what/who they want leading them based on policies and other.

Yes but what happned last night is sort of akin to people re-electing Nixon after watergate, or Hitler after WWII.

As opposed to those of the Liberal faithful, voting for the Liberal party simply because of its name, and the fact they're Liberal faithful?
We've seen the worst possible results with this one on the Federal level, too.

The liberal party "faithful" have no problem ditching their own candidates and holding them accountable, as the first election of Carr clearly showed. Most people who vote Liberal do not vote for a party name and a perceived ideology of income redistribution and pinko-socialism - the same cannot be said for Labor.

And the reason for what we've seen at the Federal level is because the Howard gov. is not a disgraceful failure like Iemma in NSW.

No, it was the duty of NSW to vote on who they wanted to represent them in parliament. Based on that, who to represent them all up in the state. They did that.

It is a duty of the voter to not elect bad candidates, this did not happen last night

I was wondering what your take on this was. Whenever something you agree with happens "the majority wants it." Then if you don't agree "people are stupid." You can't have it both ways.

Yes I can, very much on an issue basis, rather than a partisan one.

This is clearly a case of "people who don't think like me are idiots."

No - people who think that what Carr-Iemma has done to the state for the last 12 years and will do for next few isn't the worst possible outcome - are idiots.

Instead of attacking those who voted Labor, you could spend your time attacking the Labor party. When you directly attack somebody's opinion, by call ing it wrong, people tend to defend it. If you criticise the Labor party, thus indirectly attacking the opinion of the majority then they're more receptive to see what you mean.

I can't call morons anything other than morons, I'm too honest a person.

Labor and the Labor voter are two pieces of the same puzzle, and most Labor voters cannot be converted, they are idiots who vote for a name, and are beyond reason.

The only way to get rid of Labor would be to stop the influx of these lifetime Laborites into the party, mainly via education.

 

[bazookajoe]

I think I'll let you do that - after Iemma finishes destroying our roads, state economy, public transport and police.

Yeah! It's Iemma's fault that people choose to die on train tracks, right?
But in all seriousness, I don't think a change in government is going to make a dramatic different to Cityrail's supposed problems.

Fishing party represent

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yes but what happned last night is sort of akin to people re-electing Nixon after watergate, or Hitler after WWII.

If you have any information that those ministers have done something illegal, please report it to crime stoppers.

 

[bshoc]

They're not rock bottom... I'm not happy myself, but you're just trying to exaggerate the situation to prove your point. Thus, as they're not rock bottom - People realise it could be worse.

Oh they can be worse, and probably will be, and Labor is the only party that can drag us down that way.

Maybe you think the alternative was not worse, I might agree, but you were claiming democracy has necessarily failed if we re-elect 'corrupt' politicians - I say not true as it's possible the alternative was worse.

All politicians are corrupt, and there is absolutely no chance the opposition, or for that matter any opposition save maube the Greens, was worse ..

 

[bshoc]

Yeah! It's Iemma's fault that people choose to die on train tracks, right?
But in all seriousness, I don't think a change in government is going to make a dramatic different to Cityrail's supposed problems.

The liberals would have at least looked into partially privatizing the system - which means that Cityrail would actually have to focus on making money, rather than sit back and get fat and lazy off guaranteed tax dollars.

 

[bshoc]

If you have any information that those ministers have done something illegal, please report it to crime stoppers.

Heh I think that was already done a few times before the election, no?

Its not about illegality, its about re-election after such horrid government.

 

[Josie]

It is a duty of the voter to not elect bad candidates, this did not happen last night

There was a distinct lack of good candidates as well.

 

[Triangulum]

bshoc, it's possible, however amazing it may seem, for people to disagree with you without being moronic or criminal. Different people see things in different ways. That's something you ought to learn. At present, you seem to represent the worst type of liberal supporter - arrogant, elitist (The 'more successful' vote Liberal? The 'refuse' vote Labor?) and uncomprehending of the views of others.

Honestly, this result should not have been a surprise to you, so I don't see why you're in shock. This is not a horribly bad government, nor is the opposition particularly good, and the people of NSW decided that they'd prefer Labor to Liberal to manage the state. There's no problem here.

 

[withoutaface]

Liberals to take (1- Yes) Pittwater, (2- Yes) Hawkesbury and (3- Yes) Manly from independents, (4- No)Wollondilly and (5- Undecided) Miranda from Labor. Nationals to take (6- Yes)Tweed, (7- Yes)Murray-Darling and perhaps one other seat. (8- Yes)Greens will remain seatless in the lower house.

6/7 so far with one left to be decided, I'm fairly awesome.