2007 State Election - Labor or the Coalition/Iemma or Debnam? (2 Viewers)

[bshoc]

6/7 so far with one left to be decided, I'm fairly awesome.

Port Stephens is going surprisingly well for the libs also.

 

[bshoc]

bshoc, it's possible, however amazing it may seem, for people to disagree with you without being moronic or criminal. Different people see things in different ways. That's something you ought to learn. At present, you seem to represent the worst type of liberal supporter - arrogant, elitist (The 'more successful' vote Liberal? The 'refuse' vote Labor?) and uncomprehending of the views of others.

Honestly, this result should not have been a surprise to you, so I don't see why you're in shock. This is not a horribly bad government, nor is the opposition particularly good, and the people of NSW decided that they'd prefer Labor to Liberal to manage the state. There's no problem here.

Theres just one problem in your assessment - I'm not a supporter of the Liberal Party - I'm an independant - I wouldn't even be voting Liberal if getting Labor out of power wasn't a goal.

 

[withoutaface]

Port Stephens is going surprisingly well for the libs also.

100 vote margin, yeah.

 

[wheredanton]

Yes but what happned last night is sort of akin to people re-electing Nixon after watergate, or Hitler after WWII.

You think the occasional late running train is just as horrendously evil as genocide...of millions of people?

So, essentially, if Morris Iemma had ordered the murder of say, every Muslim in the state (perhaps a bad example, you would probably vote for him if he said that)...or maybe everyone who is gay or everyone who has blue eyes, you would feel he deserved to win more than if he is responsible for the trains sometimes running late?

I think that perhaps sums up your slanted view on pretty much every issue.

I remember you getting all upset when I said I'd never take anything you said seriously...and you wonder why.

The liberal party "faithful" have no problem ditching their own candidates and holding them accountable, as the first election of Carr clearly showed. Most people who vote Liberal do not vote for a party name and a percieved idiology of income redistribution and pinko-socialism - the same cannot be said for Labor.

Sweeping generalisations ahoy.

 

[jimmayyy]

despite being a liberal and staunchly conservative, this year was the first time i couldnt justify the liberal candidate. debnam was utter shite

its a case of better the devil u know or devil u dont/lesser of two evils IMO

i think Iemma is personally a nice bloke just a crap Premier, but maybe things will look up, who knows. Debnam had the right idea i just couldnt identify with him personally at all.

anyway, there was a relatively large swing (4.5 i think i read somewhere? and we are still only at +- 80 counting) and my local bloke (Annesley, family friend as it happens) put up a real good fight in a labour safe haven (Miranda, Collier won by 100 odd votes) so im pretty happy as a whole

oh well, Iemma is leading the most unpopular government in years, something like 50 percent of voters who identify themselves as labour voters agree he doesnt deserve it

PS i hope none of the CDP or Greens candidates got in anywhere

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

despite being a liberal and staunchly conservative,

It's foolish, pre-conceived views like that that actually influence peoples votes at elections to such a huge degree that piss me off to no end.

 

[bshoc]

It's foolish, pre-conceived views like that that actually influence peoples votes at elections to such a huge degree that piss me off to no end.

You do realize that the Laborites constitute the largest of these don't you? The greens have their loyal zombies as well. And this is all compounded by the fact that these people view government as the solution to their problems.

The same relationship does not exist for conservatives, who view government as the cause, not solution, to problems.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

You do realize that the Laborites constitute the largest of these don't you? The greens have their loyal zombies as well. And this is all compounded by the fact that these people view government as the solution to their problems.

Eh, they probably do. What...exactly does that have to do with anything? Must you turn everything into some kind of partisian argument?

 

[Optophobia]

You mean is it any surprise that people decent and succesful enough to afford a house outside western sydney vote Liberal? Not at all.

I like how you're trying to draw this along class lines. It's shameful that someone as stupid as you actually exists in Australia. Go to Southern USA. You would seriously fit in there.

 

[bshoc]

I like how you're trying to draw this along class lines. It's shameful that someone as stupid as you actually exists in Australia. Go to Southern USA. You would seriously fit in there.

So you're saying that a $30k a year laborer living in Lakemba has the exact capacity for making good choices as a $150k a year economist living in Lane Cove?

Choices very often end up determining things like this, and looking at both Lakemba and Lane Cove, I'd go with the guy who lives in Lane Cove.

And whats with you and the Southern US? Just because people are slighly more conservative there does not give you right to portray them as inept rednecks. Infact when I was in the US for a few months, southerners were some of the nicest and respectful people I have ever met, not dickheads like lefties, most of whom just beg to have someone make their pussy ass eat pavement. So much for you critisizing me for attacking generalized groups of people, learn to take your own medicine hypocrite.

 

[bshoc]

Eh, they probably do. What...exactly does that have to do with anything? Must you turn everything into some kind of partisian argument?

Labor has made sure that every argument must be a partisan one.

 

[Triangulum]

Labor has made sure that every argument must be a partisan one.

?

 

[Optophobia]

So you're saying that a $30k a year laborer living in Lakemba has the exact capacity for making good choices as a $150k a year economist living in Lane Cove?

Choices very often end up determining things like this, and looking at both Lakemba and Lane Cove, I'd go with the guy who lives in Lane Cove.

Yet, in their infinite amount of wisdom (in comparison to those stupid laborers at Lakemba ) they can't see how stupid it is to vote for the Liberals. Irony.

Actually, it's more a case of voting the way that they think they ought to.. belonging to a certain community, yet not having enough enlightenment to non-conform. Rich people may think they have interests in voting for liberals, as the liberals seem to only care about money (ultimately).

You also assume that there are huge IQ differences between areas of Sydney. No.

And whats with you and the Southern US? Just because people are slighly more conservative there does not give you right to portray them as inept rednecks. Infact when I was in the US for a few months, southerners were some of the nicest and respectful people I have ever met,

I don't doubt that you found them to be *your kind* of people

They were like "we gonna hang us a Nigger".. and you were like "Sweet home Alabama "

not dickheads like lefties, most of whom just beg to have someone make their pussy ass eat pavement. So much for you critisizing me for attacking generalized groups of people, learn to take your own medicine hypocrite.

Oh my god! You categorize so much it's unbelievable how delusional you are. Do you swear you aren't a troll? It's hard to believe you aren't one.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

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lol. don't worry about bshoc, according to him every evil in history has been caused by leftists and labor.

And whats with you and the Southern US? Just because people are slighly more conservative there does not give you right to portray them as inept rednecks. Infact when I was in the US for a few months, southerners were some of the nicest and respectful people I have ever met,

and yet you, someone who's never been south of the airport, west of USyd has the audacity to claim such a thing? I thought that we were all mindless, poor and horribly unintelligent Labor drones who know nothing about everything?

 

[ur_inner_child]

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No dilemma: it's Iemma

PREMIER Morris Iemma last night won a historic election victory pledging to the people of NSW: "We will not let you down."

Admitting voters weren't happy with Labor, Mr Iemma said: "Tonight we have been given another chance. We have been given a mandate, but it's a mandate with a message.

"The mandate is get back to work, keep your promises and get services that we rely on moving in the right direction."

Having scored a projected 15-seat majority, the 45-year-old Premier has earned a blank cheque to strip his cabinet of non-performers.

Labor lost two rural seats to the Nationals, while the Liberals picked up three from independents.

At the close of counting the results were Labor 53 seats, Liberal 19, Nationals 13 and five independents, with three seats still undecided.

NSW Education minister Carmel Tebbutt expected to quit cabinet

NSW Education Minister Carmel Tebbutt will stand down from state cabinet to spend more time with her young son, sources say.

Ms Tebbutt, wife of federal Labor frontbencher and Left faction powerbroker Anthony Albanese, will stay on as MP for the inner-western Sydney seat of Marrickville.

Sources tonight confirmed Ms Tebbutt would formally announce she had decided to end her seven year career in cabinet because she wanted to devote more of her time caring for her six-year-old son Nathan.

A spokesman for Ms Tebbutt would tonight only say the minister was "considering her position".

Defiant Debnam hails Libs' 'healthy result'

CONCEDING defeat just before 10pm last night, Opposition Leader Peter Debnam told the party faithful "a lot of people came home to the Liberal Party and the National Party tonight".

"The people of NSW have given Labor one last chance to fix the problems of this state," he said. "But what we've achieved today is a really healthy result . . . we've got the first swing away from Labor since 1988. Today is consolidation for us."

Howard applauds Liberal swing

Prime Minister John Howard has congratulated NSW Premier Morris Iemma on his government's re-election and says he hopes they can work together constructively.

The comfortable victory for Mr Iemma's Labor government leaves Mr Howard's federal Liberal government without an ally among the states.

"I congratulate Mr Iemma on his re-election and as the Liberal prime minister of Australia I look forward to working constructively with the re-elected Labor premier of NSW.

"It is important political differences do not get in the way of agreeing on outcomes that are good for the public.''

Disappointed Howard says IR was not a factor

Prime Minister John Howard says the Coalition's NSW election loss was "disappointing" but denies that his federal WorkChoices legislation was a factor.

Mr Howard's sober assessment contrasted with that of state Opposition Leader Peter Debnam who claimed that a swing of around four per cent to the Liberals and Nationals had been a "healthy result" and the first positive push for the state Coalition in 19 years.

Speaking at his official residence in Kirribilli in Sydney, Mr Howard said while the swing was encouraging, there was no solace in the fact that another state election has been lost by the Liberals.

"The bottom line is that we didn't win, and that is disappointing," Mr Howard said.

"Although it's a matter for the state parliamentary party to run its own race, I might give the gentle advice that from Monday the party works very hard in delivering a clear and detailed policy position on the major issues that affect the people in this state.

"So, by the time the next election rolls around there will be a clear view as to an alternative."

The Prime Minister would not be drawn on the future of Mr Debnam's leadership, saying "the remedy lies not in looking at personalities but rather looking at policy development".

Mr Debnam today said he wanted to stay on as Coalition leader through to the next NSW election in 2011.

Yesterday's comfortable victory for Mr Iemma's Labor Government means Mr Howard's Federal Coalition still does not have an ally among the states.

Mr Howard is expected to call a Federal election before the end of the year.

Mr Iemma has said while the need to fix state services had been the major issue in the NSW poll, fear among voters over the Howard Government's WorkChoices industrial relations laws had contributed to Labor's re-election.

But today, Mr Howard rejected Mr Iemma's claims saying the NSW election had been fought on state issues and not industrial relations.

Federal Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey said the A:LP won thanks to a concereted negative ad campaign largely directed against Mr Debnam.

Iemma promises new look cabinet

With his first election win under his belt, NSW Premier Morris Iemma hopes to name his new cabinet before the end of the week, promising "new blood" and "new energy".

Mr Iemma, who last night steered Labor to its fourth consecutive term, has promised to bring fresh talent into his ministerial team to meet voter demands for better services.

"We're looking at setting a caucus meeting some time toward the end of this week," he told reporters. "If that's not possible, then no later than the beginning of next week so we can have our new ministry voted in and sworn in.

Mr Iemma said after his first election victory, it was important for him to put his stamp on the government and put his campaign promises in place.

He said his first priority when he goes back to work tomorrow would be public transport and after-hours GP clinics in the state's major hospitals.

The Premier said Opposition Leader Peter Debnam had treated the voters with contempt and yesterday's result proved he underestimated them.

 

[Sparcod]

"Disappointed Howard says IR was not a factor"
Not at all surprised. Liberals say it wasn't, Labor say it was.

It's good to see a brand new start for the Labor party.

 

[Optophobia]

lol. don't worry about bshoc, according to him every evil in history has been caused by leftists and labor.

lol apparently he has been massively hurt by *leftism* at some time in his life.

Maybe Stalin molested him.

 

[jb_nc]

Maybe Stalin molested him.

No, but his regime did kill a few million people.

 

[jimmayyy]

It's foolish, pre-conceived views like that that actually influence peoples votes at elections to such a huge degree that piss me off to no end.

please explain to poor old ignorant me how it is a) foolish b) pre-convcieved and c) should affect you in the slightest that i am a firm believer in my views regarding politics?

i think it is you who are foolish for thinking that because im right wing i am automatically niave.

for your information, i have not always been a liberal fan. for a good part of my younger years i experienced the fascination most people do with socialism when they first learn about politics, but i the more i learnt about life, history, society and politics the more i leant to the right.

problem?

keep it to yourself, then.

 

[thebeardedlady]

Unlike the Federal Election, I'd like to see the Coalition win control of NSW.

This is half due to the Labor Party doing a "bang-up" job in NSW (read: Carr left NSW in a state of disrepair for ten years and Iemma is making a show of fixing it when all we see are delayed completion dates). The other half is I always like opposing parties in power in Federal and State level.

I do doubt that the Coalition will win. Debnam is being very quiet, and we never hear the Coalition's policies. Again, my electorate is a strong Labor seat, and I think the only way my electorate will send a message to Labor is by voting against them, probably by voting Greens or Independent.

I don't think I've voted in State elections before, so do we get to vote for who is in the Legislative Council? If so, it'll be Greens. Voting for a minor party is as said in the Federal Government thread a way to "keep the bastards honest."

I agree.
Voting for minor partys in the upper house is a great way to be a democrat.

As for in your local safe labor seat (if it's one the greens have a hope of winning then I'm guessing Balmain or Marrickville if you're in NSW), I hope you didn't vote greens.

Minor partys gaining seats in the lower house, splits the left/right wing vote.
And in the case of the greens, this could eventually lead to there never being any Labor government at any level, unless the Greens and the ALP were to form a coalition, leading trade unions to go the way of the democrats (not that they're already well on their way there). Hence my distrust of the greens.

And while the election is over, the 07 elections are not the elections to make a protest vote in.