Atar question (not estimation) (3 Viewers)

[Shadowdude]

so shadowdude, theres a guy at my skool who is currently coming first and is way ahead internally (in mx2). im ranked third and am a fair bit behind him, lets just say i become 2nd ranked after trials and i get the same exam mark as him, lets say 97 in hsc. does that mean i wont get 97 bcuz u say they take into account gaps, does that mean my internal mark will be reduced?

If you get the same exam mark as him then both your HSC external marks are the same. But because he was ranked first, he gets the highest exam mark as his moderated school assessment - for simplicity, we assume it'll be 97 as well. But because you were ranked second, your school moderated mark will be lower than 97 because you are 'a fair bit behind him'.

They take into account gaps for sure. Remember the HSC is about consistent effort throughout the year - and it wouldn't be fair for you to suddenly get 2nd and then get the same final HSC mark as the guy who was ranked first just because there were two same marks at the top end of the spectrum.

 

[Hermes1]

If you get the same exam mark as him then both your HSC external marks are the same. But because he was ranked first, he gets the highest exam mark as his moderated school assessment - for simplicity, we assume it'll be 97 as well. But because you were ranked second, your school moderated mark will be lower than 97 because you are 'a fair bit behind him'.

They take into account gaps for sure. Remember the HSC is about consistent effort throughout the year - and it wouldn't be fair for you to suddenly get 2nd and then get the same final HSC mark as the guy who was ranked first just because there were two same marks at the top end of the spectrum.

how drastically will it drop down, will it drop down to 93 or sumfin?

 

[enoilgam]

I dont think there is one absolute method used all the time, since as shadowdude mentioned, it would be unfair and silly. But most often, its the method I mentioned in my scenario because most often a persons HSC performance will closely match their internal performance. Ie a person coming first in a subject is unlikely to get 70 in the HSC exam whilst the person who came 2nd gets 90.

 

[Shadowdude]

how drastically will it drop down, will it drop down to 93 or sumfin?

Depends on how far behind him you are.

I dont think there is one absolute method used all the time, since as shadowdude mentioned, it would be unfair and silly. But most often, its the method I mentioned in my scenario.

It could be, though in my experience - I know they use the gaps... so until someone comes up with something - yeah. We'll agree to disagree =P

 

[Shadowdude]

Here we go, I find that I was... mostly right, not completely right: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/hsc-results/moderation.html

 

[Hermes1]

Here we go, I find that I was... mostly right, not completely right: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/hsc-results/moderation.html

ok that was confusing. but shadowdude it looks as if you were right.

 

[enoilgam]

Fair enough, obviously there is a lot more to it then what I thought. Now I have no clue how they worked out my internal marks.

 

[_deloso]

oh okay cool. and how do you know he's getting 90+?

 

[Shadowdude]

oh okay cool. and how do you know he's getting 90+?

It's just supposition for the examples. Unless... I misunderstood your question.

 

[_deloso]

no cos you said he is getting 90+ with similar subjects and marks as me. so you're certain that he is getting it?

 

[Shadowdude]

When did I say this? (I'm sorry it's past midnight and my brain function isn't 100% right now...)

 

[nortynick]

ATAR is more confusing than the hsc itself

 

[Shadowdude]

No, you'll find the HSC systems are more confusing.

 

[_deloso]

oh oops.. it was Riproot who said that on the first page of this post, not you. lol sorry my bad. i think it's my brain who's not functioning well.. lol

 

[Riproot]

oh oops.. it was Riproot who said that on the first page of this post, not you. lol sorry my bad. i think it's my brain who's not functioning well.. lol

I know because he is. Lol.
But for serials, he has to get it to get into his course and we like worked it out and shit.