Australian Politics (5 Viewers)

[impervious182]

No you fucking moron, you're just a neocon.

Erm.. firstly neo-conservatism is right wing.

Secondly I'm not a neocon... generally I'm not interventionist with a few exceptions... I am a firm believer rather, in the United Nation and exhaustion of any diplomatic means before intervention takes place.

 

[withoutaface]

Erm.. firstly neo-conservatism is right wing.

Secondly I'm not a neocon... generally I'm not interventionist with a few exceptions... I am a firm believer rather, in the United Nation and exhaustion of any diplomatic means before intervention takes place.

No. Neoconservatism came about when a bunch of socialist academics got smashed on Chardonnay and decided to take over the American right

 

[impervious182]

No. Neoconservatism came about when a bunch of socialist academics got smashed on Chardonnay and decided to take over the American right

? Which would make them right-wing still.

Conservative = right-wing

Neoconservative = right-wing

 

[withoutaface]

It was based on leftist premises and continues to be 100% in favour of expanding government and fucking with people's lives. Small government conservatism is right wing, neoconservatism is not.

 

[Trefoil]

Re read the statement.

What's to re-read? The way he worded it could mean "religious views on BoS are left-wing" or "people of BoS treat being left-wing like a religion".

Either way I stand by my statement. He's a moron.

 

[impervious182]

What's to re-read? The way he worded it could mean "religious views on BoS are left-wing" or "people of BoS treat being left-wing like a religion".

Either way I stand by my statement. He's a moron.

Hahaha... but everybody else understood the post Trefoil. I guess, they must speak
the same moronic language... English.

 

[Iron]

It was based on leftist premises and continues to be 100% in favour of expanding government and fucking with people's lives. Small government conservatism is right wing, neoconservatism is not.

It's pretty small-minded to claim that anything advocating the community over the individual is automatically "left-wing".

 

[impervious182]

More illegal refugees seeking asylum in Australia... Rudd's immigration policy is a joke. In my opinion, he shouldn't have abolished all of the elements of Howard's immigration policies, that he did.


For all those that voted no in the poll... This just in:

"NSW has the highest reoffending rates in the countryy and is unlikely to meet its own targets to reduce this, according to prison experts."

 

[spiny norman]

More illegal refugees seeking asylum in Australia... Rudd's immigration policy is a joke. In my opinion, he shouldn't have abolished all of the elements of Howard's immigration policies, that he did.

If there's one thing I don't want in Australia, it's refugees.

 

[Trefoil]

More illegal refugees seeking asylum in Australia... Rudd's immigration policy is a joke. In my opinion, he shouldn't have abolished all of the elements of Howard's immigration policies, that he did.

Oh yeah, god damn those bastards fleeing oppression. Just what do they think Australia is? A place of hope; where a better life is possible?

 

[Iron]

No. It's a place of laws and customs which must be adhered to

 

[impervious182]

Oh yeah, god damn those bastards fleeing oppression. Just what do they think Australia is? A place of hope; where a better life is possible?

Illegal immigrants.

I'll let you pick out the key word there. What illegal immigrants do, is essentially cut the queue. It's true that some of these immigrants are fleeing genuine oppression and for genuine for of their lives. However it comes down to this, Australia has a limit on how many refugees it can allow in; there are millions fleeing around the world and to host them all would be madness.

Illegal immigrants skip the queue and take up some of the limited places in Australia. Because they skip the queue there is no way of us knowing whether they are legitimately fleeing oppression, looking for a better life or looking for a job... so people who wouldn't normally be allowed refuge get into Australia get in and then legitimate refugees who are really fleeing from oppression miss out. Even though the latter group have followed the proper process and tried to migrate to Australia legally.

There is a reason why we have legal and illegal immigration, Trefoil. Stop trying to constantly twist my words... it's annoying.

 

[Trefoil]

Hey dumbarse, does it not occur to you that if they are legal, they probably aren't refugees?

 

[impervious182]

Hey dumbarse, does it not occur to you that if they are legal, they probably aren't refugees?

Well quick. Somebody tell the Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the UNHCR, because they must have missed that one, Trefoil.

 

[jb_nc]

god damn i hate people who flee war and poverty

 

[Trefoil]

Well quick. Somebody tell the Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the UNHCR, because they must have missed that one, Trefoil.

Shit, you're right. How could I have been so blind? It's obvious to me now that any real refugee fleeing discrimination, murder, anarchy, censorship, etc, would have the time, knowledge, and money to apply for residence in Australia, through their own oppressive (or non-existent) government channels, and then wait a couple of years for Australian bureaucracy to grant them asylum.

It's all so clear to me now: all a refugee has to do is ask their tyrant or dictator to please stop being oppressive while they flee to a brighter future and everyone lives happily ever after. Clearly if they don't do this they are a most likely a terrorist trying to come to Australia illegally so they can eat our children.

 

[impervious182]

Shit, you're right. How could I have been so blind?

Beats me... but you do it all the time. So maybe you need your eyes tested.

It's obvious to me now that any real refugee fleeing discrimination, murder, anarchy, censorship, etc, would have the time, knowledge, and money to apply for residence in Australia, through their own oppressive (or non-existent) government channels, and then wait a couple of years for Australian bureaucracy to grant them asylum.

Ever heard of an emergency visa?

It's all so clear to me now: all a refugee has to do is ask their tyrant or dictator to please stop being oppressive while they flee to a brighter future and everyone lives happily ever after. Clearly if they don't do this they are a most likely a terrorist trying to come to Australia illegally so they can eat our children.

So I assume, the way you'd have it Trefoil, we should just accept any and all immigrant into Australia and make taxpayers make-up for the huge expense. You'd have it, so we would be accepting any immigrant, even if we didn't know who they are and where they came from. Chuck 'em in with the Sydney crowd; who cares about rising unemployment, terrorism, rising crime rates, an inability to provide housing, the problems with policing etc. which would result from such a move!?!

Howard's policy was not bad, in my opinion. Process all illegal immigrants off-shore and sort them out. I would have attempted to do it faster than Howard did though. It detered many illegal immigrants; who have suddenly been coming back in droves since Rudd abolished the scheme.

Don't be so naive Trefoil.

There are two ways to migrate; legally or illegally. If you come to Australia illegally, like in any other country, you should be prepared to pay the consequences. It's as simple as that.

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[Iron]

Australia is the greatest nation on earth and everyone in the world are like us. What's the evidence of this? They'd all come live here if we let them!

 

[Trefoil]

I suppose of were a fan of how jolly old Howard handled the Tampa incident, too, alexbores?

 

[Iron]

Howard Years are over. I was generally very impressed with the fairness, candour and style.
Had to laugh at Costello claiming that he was too good to not want to harm the liberal party by challenging Howard, but then proceeded to dump on various key shadow ministers. Also I felt that it was revealed that it was basically vanity that stopped Howard from stepping aside.