Australian Politics (2 Viewers)

[JaredR]

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Labor voters may well think that Rudd is not doing a good job but never would they say it. The thing with Labor voters is they don't care who the head of the Party is, or what the policies are - the fact is it's Labor and should hence be voted for. Many do it simply to continue the family tradition.

On the other hand Liberal supporters are more critical of their leaders, expect more from them and are not afraid to be vocal of their opposition to particular people and their ideas. Liberal supporters also consider the validities usually, in the opposition side. Perhaps this suggests why a lot of swinging voters moreso swing to the side of Liberal, because whilst they're Liberal at heart, they still like to consider what will work best for them.

 

[bigboyjames]

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Labor voters may well think that Rudd is not doing a good job but never would they say it. The thing with Labor voters is they don't care who the head of the Party is, or what the policies are - the fact is it's Labor and should hence be voted for. Many do it simply to continue the family tradition.

On the other hand Liberal supporters are more critical of their leaders, expect more from them and are not afraid to be vocal of their opposition to particular people and their ideas. Liberal supporters also consider the validities usually, in the opposition side. Perhaps this suggests why a lot of swinging voters moreso swing to the side of Liberal, because whilst they're Liberal at heart, they still like to consider what will work best for them.

to add to your post, liberal supporters are more likely to stereotype all labor voters into one category simply because they are not liberal voters.

 

[bigboyjames]

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if i ever find out that a uni student voted for labour at the next state election im going to belt the shit out of them on the spot.

 

[Slidey]

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Labor voters may well think that Rudd is not doing a good job but never would they say it. The thing with Labor voters is they don't care who the head of the Party is, or what the policies are - the fact is it's Labor and should hence be voted for. Many do it simply to continue the family tradition.

On the other hand Liberal supporters are more critical of their leaders, expect more from them and are not afraid to be vocal of their opposition to particular people and their ideas. Liberal supporters also consider the validities usually, in the opposition side. Perhaps this suggests why a lot of swinging voters moreso swing to the side of Liberal, because whilst they're Liberal at heart, they still like to consider what will work best for them.

What an absolute wad of bullshit.

 

[Rafy]

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It will be very HILARIOUS if Kevin Rudd loses the next federal election.

It's emerging pretty clearly that the ETS will be the defining policy of this term. Given its across the board price increases Rudd is going to have to play his cards carefully. Especially given all his rhetoric on cost of living pressures and inflation. Could come back to bite him.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that he could lose the next election. Look to 1998, a 1 term government almost lost because of the backlash over a particular policy. I think it is probally unlikely Rudd will loose, but it is possible. All depends on whether the coalition can present a credible alternative which the electorate rates better than the incumbent. That is yet to be seen.

 

[chicky_pie]

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Former prime minister John Howard has attacked the Federal Government for what he says is a lack of conviction.

At a Liberal Party fundraiser in Perth last night, Mr Howard told the Liberal faithful he had detected a change in the public mood.

He said the swing against Labor in the Gippsland by-election showed there were doubts about the Government.

"The absolutely dishonest and pathetic attempt by Mr Swan and Mr Tanner and Mr Rudd to somehow or other, demonstrate to the Australian people that they had inherited an economic mess, from the former Coalition, that they had inherited high inflation and runaway spending, I mean, they have no shame," he said.

Mr Howard said that when Labor came to power, Australia's fiscal position was the envy of the world, but when his government was first elected, it had to deal with a budget deficit. He also said the Prime Minister did not have a coherent plan.

"Politics is about conviction, you sometimes get the impression that my successor is more interested in the process of government than the opportunity of leadership that government provides," he said.

He paid tribute to the WA branch, which was the only one to deliver a positive result for the Liberals in the federal election.
Climate change

The former prime minister also bought into the current debate on climate change, declaring his support for the federal Opposition Leader's stand.

"Brendan Nelson and his colleagues are right to be cautious," he said.

"They are right to ask of the present Government that it not adopt policies that by going too far ahead will place this nation's great export industries at a competitive disadvantage around the world."

Mr Howard was scathing on the Federal Government's attempts to seek bipartisanship. He said that when he was prime minister the Labor Opposition rejected his efforts to do the same.

"My experience with the Labor Party when we were in government, whenever we proposed something, by definition the Labor Party was against it," he said.

"So that's why I say, with some passion, never yield the national interest to the Labor Party."

Mr Howard was also critical the South African Government for not putting more pressure on Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe.

He said there was a determination at the 2002 Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting to resolve issues in Zimbabwe, but South Africa did not show any interest.

"If the requisite pressure had been placed six years ago by South Africa in particular on Zimbabwe's then corruptly elected government, we would not have seen the disaster that has unfolded over the last six years," he said.

someone re-elect him again plz

 

[Zrap]

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someone re-elect him again plz

Nah no one wants Australia to go down the shithole, or become the next state of America... sa-weeet

 

[Rafy]

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http://www.abc.net.au/tv/hollowmen

Tonight. 9.30. ABC.

 

[jb_nc]

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Proof that Nicola Roxon is a cunt.

HMM YES NAUSEA V POSSIBLE DEATH

WHICH ONE DO I CHOOSE?????????

 

[Rafy]

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Sportingbet
Who Will Be NSW Premier on January 1 2009?

Nathan Rees 1.80
Morris Iemma 2.25
John Watkins 3.00
Any Other 7.00
Carmel Tebbutt 13.00
David Campbell 15.00
Frank Sartor 17.00
Verity Firth 26.00

 

[Muz4PM]

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Sportingbet
Who Will Be NSW Premier on January 1 2009?

Nathan Rees 1.80
Morris Iemma 2.25
John Watkins 3.00
Any Other 7.00
Carmel Tebbutt 13.00
David Campbell 15.00
Frank Sartor 17.00
Verity Firth 26.00

Yeah, Rees looks like a safe bet for leader. Everyone else is either too incompetant , inexperienced or able to be traced to the "old guard" of Iemma and Carr.

 

[Triangulum]

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Mr Howard was scathing on the Federal Government's attempts to seek bipartisanship. He said that when he was prime minister the Labor Opposition rejected his efforts to do the same.

"My experience with the Labor Party when we were in government, whenever we proposed something, by definition the Labor Party was against it," he said.

ha ha ha, john howard trying to paint himself as a champion of bipartisanship. hilarious.

also, can someone fill me in on who nathan rees is? he's so obscure he doesn't even have a wikipedia article.

 

[Muz4PM]

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ha ha ha, john howard trying to paint himself as a champion of bipartisanship. hilarious.

also, can someone fill me in on who nathan rees is? he's so obscure he doesn't even have a wikipedia article.

Rees is a first term MP for Toongabbie, minister for Emergency Services. He was a former Cheif of Staff for Iemma and Carr (I think.) Previous to that, he was a garbage collector.

 

[chicky_pie]

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Take care of yourselves Abos - Nicola Roxon

ABORIGINES must recognise the risks of alcohol and smoking and take responsibility for their health, Health Minister Nicola Roxon says.

The Federal Government was committed to closing the 17-year life expectancy gap between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians, which would require partnerships and lifting the number of Aboriginal people working in health, she said.

"Most old approaches are not working - we need a new beginning," Ms Roxon said today as she released a blueprint for action on health and employment for indigenous people.

"This is a partnership, if we are actually going to close the life expectancy gaps for indigenous Australians, the Government needs to roll up its sleeves and invest more, and we are doing that.

"The indigenous Australians also need to be part of finding the solutions.

"And some of them do involve understanding that smoking is a risk, excessive consumption of alcohol is a risk and eating poor food is a risk.

"We need people to turn those trends around and we need to provide assistance to make better and healthier choices easier for indigenous Australians."

Ms Roxon said the newly created National Indigenous Health Equality Council (NIHEC) would be asked to prioritise getting more indigenous people into health work.

"Boosting the indigenous health workforce is critical to closing the life expectancy gap," she said.

Ian Anderson has been appointed chairman of the NIHEC, which will advise the Government on the development and monitoring of health related goals and targets.

Mick Adams, chairman of the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation, is NIHEC's deputy chairman.

The blueprint will focus on promoting and improving paths between schools, vocational education and training and higher education.

It also seeks to retain and build the the indigenous health workforce.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23998689-421,00.html

She should also take note and take care of her ugly face too or she'll end up looking like Belinda Neal.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

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I think, unless Rudd has a serious change in direction, he'll lose an election if he waits three years for it.

Currently he's striving for inoffensiveness and being moderate. As a result, minor things like FuelWatch are becoming massively contentious issues where otherwise nobody would care due to other, more controversial issues would be at the fore of public debate.

Rudd's living and dying on tiny issues. Unless he changes tact soon, he'll be Australia's greatest do-nothing Prime Minister and be a single-termer.

Agree.

 

[Rafy]

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Iemma challenge

A CHALLENGE for the Premier's job is expected within weeks, with the Labor Party's head office mounting a concerted campaign to oust Morris Iemma.

Labor MPs are being called in for meetings this week and next to discuss four candidates being suggested by the party's general secretary, Karl Bitar.

The candidates are the Deputy Premier, John Watkins, the Water Minister, Nathan Rees, former frontbencher Carmel Tebbutt, and the Planning Minister, Frank Sartor, according to MPs.

Sources close to the Government say Mr Bitar has suggested to one MP that they could lose their preselection if they continued to support Mr Iemma.

Mr Bitar is understood to have told the Premier in a telephone conversation that his intervention is "not personal" but "in the party's interests".

Morris Iemma again faces open defiance as Labor implodes

 

[Graney]

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As a result, minor things like FuelWatch are becoming massively contentious issues where otherwise nobody would care due to other, more controversial issues would be at the fore of public debate.

No one really cares about fuel watch. It's only contraversial in parliament and media. Most people would be barely aware of the debate

Like Howard, Rudd will be judged on how he responds to major international crises. The Labor party will lose power when the global recession comes, or corruption and infighting brings the party down from within.

 

[Slidey]

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The Labor party will lose power when the global recession comes, or corruption and infighting brings the party down from within.

If, not when. And if they don't handle it well.

 

[Rafy]

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And if the opposition present a credible alternative.

i.e 1993 Federal election

 

[Trampoline Man]

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No one really cares about fuel watch. It's only contraversial in parliament and media. Most people would be barely aware of the debate

Like Howard, Rudd will be judged on how he responds to major international crises. The Labor party will lose power when the global recession comes, or corruption and infighting brings the party down from within.

I get the feeling Rudd will survive at least for a second term. Seven of Howard's minister's resigned in his first term, and the 1998 election was only close due to the GST.

Of course he could suffer from the unpopularity of the state Labor governments, if the others are as bad as NSW.