Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (2 Viewers)

[Drdusk]

Still looking for a reliable source for the breakdown on more serious side effect by sex/and age

COVID-19 vaccination statistics

See our collections of data on Australia’s COVID-19 vaccination program.

www.health.gov.au

There is a graph called "Doses by age and sex", and it seems at least in Australia the groups that initially had AZ, had a similar take uptake.

Although not peer-reviewed or scientific, middle-aged men reporting a greater willingness in Australia to take up AZ (the Guardian and possibly the SMH?) survey so potentially had a greater uptake of the AZ.

This is Interesting, I thought for sure it would’ve been the other way around.

Even if there was no political issue between the countries, do you think many people in any western country will want a Chinese-made vaccine even if they were available? Dodgy B-grade toys from China are one thing, but vaccines from a country known not exactly known for their transparency? Comparing apples to oranges here. Hell not even vaccines, good luck getting people from China to buying baby formula from their own country.

Yeah I can say I would not. Developed countries by far have better standards in general so I don’t think I would get a vaccine made by any country from that continent, unless it has been fully approved. There might be politics and money that play into western countries not approving those vaccines but I’d rather be safe than sorry.

I mean we’ve told our grandparents in India not to take the Indian made vaccine but instead to take AZ.

 

[BLIT2014]

Unfortunately, I believe you are right. If they are serious about overcoming vaccine hesitancy, they should set aside political differences and allow the Chinese vaccines in as another option. Our supermarkets and shops are full of products from China.

Testing for SAR-COV-2 is now well organised and efficient. What they need next is widespread availability of serology testing which can determine whether individuals have protective levels of antibody to the virus.

All the research that is coming out suggests that Chinese coronavirus vaccines are significantly less effective than the western developed versions. Given this, I do not think we should be allowing these vaccines in as an option.

 

[Eagle Mum]

All the research that is coming out suggests that Chinese coronavirus vaccines are significantly less effective than the western developed versions. Given this, I do not think we should be allowing these vaccines in as an option.

For the young & healthy, who have a high probability of overcoming COVID if infected, the benefit (efficacy) to risk (both short and long term) of the different vaccines should be carefully considered. Vaccine efficacy is also not evaluated in isolation from other factors. If the individual continues to observe physical distancing and good hygiene practices, the viral load on transmission would probably have some impact on whether the immune system is able to clear the virus before the aberrant responses are triggered. As such, a vaccine with a lower efficacy rate (for the overall population) but safer (or at least known) adverse reaction profile might be better for the young, who can always get the more experimental drug at a later date when more data has been collected.

 

[SylviaB]

For the young & healthy, who have a high probability of overcoming COVID if infected, the benefit (efficacy) to risk (both short and long term) of the different vaccines should be carefully considered

you're ignoring the part where vaccines help prevent transmission of the virus

Unfortunately, I believe you are right. If they are serious about overcoming vaccine hesitancy, they should set aside political differences and allow the Chinese vaccines in as another option.

Lol moronic. If people are unsure about getting a vaccine they sure as shit aren't going to be injecting themselves with chinese crap.

 

[Eagle Mum]

Lol moronic. If people are unsure about getting a vaccine they sure as shit aren't going to be injecting themselves with chinese crap.

Well, the original discussion wasn't so much about where the vaccines were made, but rather about the different types of vaccines and the mechanisms of their actions. Someone then asked about where protein vaccines were currently made. It would be great if western countries would show greater interest in producing protein based vaccines, but they seem wrapped up in the experimental idea that DNA & mRNA codes can be used like software, but the problem is that if other cells aren't excluded from uptake, then they do become targets. It may become a more important issue if the virus becomes endemic and repeated boosters are mandated annually.

 

[brent012]

I don't think it's a China problem. As Blit has mentioned, SinoVac and the other Chinese vaccines just haven't had very high efficacy.

On the other hand, some other countries which don't have the China stigma have vaccines which have mostly been passed over by the west despite having promising efficacy.

Russia's Sputnik V viral vector vaccine seems to have some good ideas compared to AZ (e.g. using multiple viral vectors) and apparently doesn't cause TTS unlike AZ and J&J. But I believe it relied more on empirical results to prove its safety and efficacy than would be accepted in the West, and there's questions about if the countries it's been deployed in have robust enough healthcare systems to attribute TTS to the vaccine.

I don't know much about it, but I've also heard that Cuba have a few vaccines with promising efficacy too, and one is a protein subunit vaccine like Novavax. But as with Russia, I suspect their trials probably don't hold up to the kind of scrutiny that the FDA or TGA would apply.

 

[BLIT2014]

He most likely died due to meningitis (it is a serious disease), but also was covid positive.

Sydney boy, 15, dies with meningitis and COVID-19 in hospital

Osama Subuh, who was positive for COVID-19 and admitted to hospital with pneumococcal meningitis, worked at KFC Punchbowl.

www.smh.com.au

 

[BLIT2014]

Melbourne seems to be struggling extended 2 weeks lockdown today.

Melbourne under curfew as Daniel Andrews extends lockdown by two weeks

Premier offers harsh criticism for people breaking Covid restrictions, saying their actions ‘will keep us all locked down for longer than we should be. I’m angry, we’re all angry’

www.theguardian.com

 

[cosmo 2]

lmao

only 400 weeks to go before they flatten the curve

 

[SylviaB]

I don't think it's a China problem. As Blit has mentioned, SinoVac and the other Chinese vaccines just haven't had very high efficacy.

On the other hand, some other countries which don't have the China stigma have vaccines which have mostly been passed over by the west despite having promising efficacy.

Russia's Sputnik V viral vector vaccine seems to have some good ideas compared to AZ (e.g. using multiple viral vectors) and apparently doesn't cause TTS unlike AZ and J&J. But I believe it relied more on empirical results to prove its safety and efficacy than would be accepted in the West, and there's questions about if the countries it's been deployed in have robust enough healthcare systems to attribute TTS to the vaccine.

I don't know much about it, but I've also heard that Cuba have a few vaccines with promising efficacy too, and one is a protein subunit vaccine like Novavax. But as with Russia, I suspect their trials probably don't hold up to the kind of scrutiny that the FDA or TGA would apply.

Cuba lmao

 

[SylviaB]

lmao

only 400 weeks to go before they flatten the curve

Mfw variants escape the vaccine

Mfw when totally new virus comes along

Mfw lockdown 73 had been extended 8 weeks

 

[cosmo 2]

duh

its inevitable lol

its gonna spread to animals if it hasnt already, wtf we gonna do kill all the animals like denmark did with their mink population?

its gonna come to that soon, theyre gonna start advocating for genocide of migratory water birds, save grandma punch an albatrosss

fmd they try to come after the pelicans ill be molotoving every cop car i fucken see

 

[enoilgam]

Mfw variants escape the vaccine

Mfw when totally new virus comes along

Mfw lockdown 73 had been extended 8 weeks

There is going to come a point where we just have to accept that we cant really control it and just get on with life. People die, that's life - 25,000 Australians a year die of strokes and heart attacks, but we don't move to ban fatty foods and mandate exercise do we? Even with harsh lockdowns, many countries are struggling to contain it - even in Victoria they are struggling and they went hard and fast. I'm not saying we shouldn't fight it now, but once the vaccines reach the thresholds, we just need to let it go. The government can only keep the economy on life support for so long. Every dollar lost fighting today's health crisis is a dollar we don't have for healthcare tomorrow.

Personally, most people I know have been very reluctant to get the vaccine - the only reason they have changed their minds is because they want their freedoms back. Can you imagine the damage to public confidence if people get vaccinated and their freedoms dont come back? For a public health response reliant on public cooperation, it wont bode well.

 

[cosmo 2]

imagine how many more lives we'd be saving if instead of a contact tracer outside of coles jotting down your deets there was a guy with a blood pressure pump and a weight scale, measure too unhealthy you can only go to the fresh food aisle

 

[cosmo 2]

 

[enoilgam]

imagine how many more lives we'd be saving if instead of a contact tracer outside of coles jotting down your deets there was a guy with a blood pressure pump and a weight scale, measure too unhealthy you can only go to the fresh food aisle

Talk about "burdening the health system" - Id honestly like to see a study done of the burden imposed by COVID versus other preventable health diseases (heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes etc). The only reason that isnt a pandemic is because it moves slowly.

Think of all the children who die of preventable diseases, starvation etc in third world countries. Does the world stop? No it doesn't. The only reason the world has stopped this time is because COVID can hit anyone and it moves fast.

 

[cosmo 2]

i suspect that fatties, like smokers, pay for themselves (same w so called covid deaths) anyway

in the case of smokers even when you dont factor in cigarette taxes they likely pay for themselves bc they die early

most healthcare resources are consumed by the very old and frail, keeping the very elderly alive is where a disproportionate amount of healthcare spending is allocated. if people die early they dont reach the age where they require constant medical treatment and thus save taxpayers money long term

most fatties/smokers die in their 60s/70s or so, so past retirement age (not adding to the tax base anymore but not at the age yet where they become burdensome on the healthcare system, a sweet spot of death)

its such disingenous bullshit to try to guilt the unvaccinated and covid restriction ignorers over "health care costs", if they die from da coof , they'll actually be saving money

 

[SylviaB]

potentially one of the good things about the pandemic is the huge increase in pandemic preparedness/response for future pandemics, and this is important because in the next few decades it will become trivially simple for people to be able to genetically modify viruses and therefore potentially make them more contagious or deadly, and a genuinely dangerous outbreak could occur

it sounds dumb but if you read into it, its basically inevitable at this point

 

[enoilgam]

potentially one of the good things about the pandemic is the huge increase in pandemic preparedness/response for future pandemics, and this is important because in the next few decades it will become trivially simple for people to be able to genetically modify viruses and therefore potentially make them more contagious or deadly, and a genuinely dangerous outbreak could occur

it sounds dumb but if you read into it, its basically inevitable at this point

This needs to be a top priority and I expect it will be - this is by far the most costly event since WW2 and I think governments the world over will through everything at avoiding a repeat.

 

[SylviaB]

based

Hospital sacks woman over sick post

The Royal Melbourne Hospital has sacked a female clinical assistant for suggesting Jewish Orthodox revellers from an illegal engagement party in St Kilda should be “put in the gas chamber”.

www.news.com.au