But God created each of us individually. Did he not also create our past, present and future? So he would have created us as a fetus and also us as a corpse, as well as everything else in between. Thus, he created our destinies and has complete control over them.gibbo153 said:predestination is an incredibly complex topic to get into, but in short answer to what you've said,
free choice (i.e. the ability to do whatever you want) doesnt actually contradict god being omniscient.
he knows everything you will do in your life, everything about you, before you were made
(ok ps noone reply with blah blah god didnt make us etc, im just explaining this from a theist perspective)
it all comes back to the garden of eden etc. god knew that those naughty kids were gonna take the bad fruit, even though they had perfection in the garden.
but, its easy to think, well that was just stupid of him to do, why did he make us if we are going to do whatever we want etc, which also leads to , 'why did god make people if he knew some were going to hell' and that sort of thing.
but it can be seen that god wouldnt just want to make people who don't have free will, who just obeyed everything all the time. obviously everyone would always respect and obey him. theres just no point.
god wants everyone to follow him, but without free choice, there's no point us even existing.
but yes, god does in fact know that some people he has made are destined not to be christian, some are.
you say, how can there be free choice if god knows what im going to do.
free choice as i said doesnt constitute a lack of omniscience. free choice, is the ability to choose uninterfered. god is not controlling you.
you are acting of your own self and being, its just that god in his infinite knowledge knows everything about you, and what you are going to do.
i hope that basically explained that free will isnt interfered with by omniscience
I think you're missing the point, dear.Iron said:Har! So you admit that genuine religious experiences occur and can be distinguished!
You are begging for a conversion.
I must save your soul
Cheers.Kwayera said:Wow, I never thought of that argument that way.
+1 sir!
enlighten meKwayera said:I think you're missing the point, dear.
If "religious experiences" can be reliably induced by stimulation of the brain, simulating what can naturally occur - how can these experiences be then proof of the existence of (your) God?Iron said:enlighten me
Take me to your secular world. Bring me the pleasures of the secular flesh
hmm i think creating is the wrong term.moll. said:But God created each of us individually. Did he not also create our past, present and future? So he would have created us as a fetus and also us as a corpse, as well as everything else in between. Thus, he created our destinies and has complete control over them.
dieKwayera said:So what's up with all this "God's Plan" mumbojumbo?
true in theory, however i was just explaining his question which only regarded omniscienceEnteebee said:Free will isn't imo necessarily contradictory with omniscience... but it definantly is with omnipotence.
Dearest Iron,Iron said:Har! So you admit that genuine religious experiences occur and can be distinguished!
You are begging for a conversion.
I must save your soul
he is never jokingsupercalamari said:Dearest Iron,
I can never tell when you are joking.
Do enlighten me, I beg of you.
Yours,
supercalamari
gods plan - is in the shortest of terms, god's rescue planKwayera said:So what's up with all this "God's Plan" mumbojumbo?
Well the premise is totally mangled. You dare assume that if an experience ticks all these certain boxes, then that experience was religious - but smile, youre on candid camera, it was just your brain playing tricks.Kwayera said:If "religious experiences" can be reliably induced by stimulation of the brain, simulating what can naturally occur - how can these experiences be then proof of the existence of (your) God?
Katie, lets not be that couple, like Chadd and Katie in NS. We're better than that. We have playful internets disagreementskatie tully said:he is never joking
it just depends which one of his personalities got to wear the underpants today
luv nipIron said:Katie, lets not be that couple, like Chadd and Katie in NS. We're better than that. We have playful internets disagreements
love bite?
Ahh. Now I get it.katie tully said:he is never joking
it just depends which one of his personalities got to wear the underpants today