Does God exist? (16 Viewers)

[jasonml]

Have you read the Bible?

Your Abrahamic gods advocate genocide, torture, rape, slavery, human sacrifice, dare I go on?

Eh.. the last time i read the christian bible it was all this crap about compassion and helping the poor.

and i've only read parts of a koran, which nonetheless have a similar vibe.

 

[seano77]

Have you read the Bible?

Your Abrahamic gods advocate genocide, torture, rape, slavery, human sacrifice, dare I go on?

Wow I'm sure all the biblical scholars and christian philosophers missed this? Maybe you can show them and they will see that God is hypocritical because of this never-before-seen argument against christianity?

Do some research/thinking into this, yeah? Not all christians are idiots. Calling God an advocate of these things does nothing to prove the truth value of the worldview or God. Some christians are extremely intelligent and have reasons/justifications for the things that are in the bible.

 

[Kwayera]

Eh.. the last time i read the christian bible it was all this crap about compassion and helping the poor.

and i've only read parts of a koran, which nonetheless have a similar vibe.

Well here's some references for you, in no particular order and a VERY small smattering of what's in there, of which ALL of this was demanded by your loving and compassionate god:

1 Samuel 15:2-3 (genocide), Exodus 11:1-12:36 (genocide), Exodus 32:27 (genocide), 1 Samuel 6 (genocide), 1 Samuel 25 (general smiting), Hosea 13:16 (genocide and torture), Numbers 25:16-17 (genocide, rape, more genocide, human sacrifice), 2 Kings 2:23-24 (massacre of children), Judges 11:30-40 (human sacrifice), 2 Samuel 21:1-14 (human sacrifice), Leviticus 27:28-29 (human sacrifice), Judges 3:8/3:14/4:2-3/6:1/13:1 (slavery), Joel 3:8 (slavery), Exodus 21 (beating of slaves), Leviticus 21:19-23 (discrimination against the disabled and torture/death thereof), Isiah 3:17 (victimisation/molestation of women).

And that's just the Old Testament. Dare I go on?

 

[tommykins]

Wow I'm sure all the biblical scholars and christian philosophers missed this? Maybe you can show them and they will see that God is hypocritical because of this never-before-seen argument against christianity?

No, because when it is presented, you bring up the whole 'context plz' or 'interpretation' card.

Do some research/thinking into this, yeah? Not all christians are idiots. Calling God an advocate of these things does nothing to prove the truth value of the worldview or God. Some christians are extremely intelligent and have reasons/justifications for the things that are in the bible.

And we've yet to encounter one reason put forth.

 

[Kwayera]

Wow I'm sure all the biblical scholars and christian philosophers missed this? Maybe you can show them and they will see that God is hypocritical because of this never-before-seen argument against christianity?

Do some research/thinking into this, yeah? Not all christians are idiots. Calling God an advocate of these things does nothing to prove the truth value of the worldview or God. Some christians are extremely intelligent and have reasons/justifications for the things that are in the bible.

No, they're just willfully ignorant.

 

[LingstyleZ]

well.
somethings that humans just cant prove or may never will.

science believes in evolution how man evolved from apes


but in the bible. its god that created everyone in his image.
for eg adam and eve. adam is made from soil and eve is made from adams ribs.

and yet the largest religon in aus is christian / catholic.
so things cant be explained.

 

[jasonml]

Well here's some references for you, in no particular order and a VERY small smattering of what's in there, of which ALL of this was demanded by your loving and compassionate god:

1 Samuel 15:3 (genocide), Exodus 11:1-12:36 (genocide), 1 Samuel 6 (genocide), 1 Samuel 25 (general smiting), Numbers 25:16-17 (genocide, rape, more genocide, human sacrifice), 2 Kings 2:23-24 (massacre of children), Judges 11:30-40 (human sacrifice), 2 Samuel 21:1-14 (human sacrifice), Leviticus 27:28-29 (human sacrifice), Judges 3:8/3:14/4:2-3/6:1/13:1 (slavery), Exodus 21 (beating of slaves), Leviticus 21:19-23 (discrimination against the disabled and torture/death thereof), Isiah 3:17 (victimisation/molestation of women).

And that's just (mostly) the Old Testament. Dare I go on?

I think that it would be easy to "pull refrences" from any bible that support any view. I'm sure there are just as many/more points that say the opposite.

My argument is, is that abrahamic religions are overarchingly dedicated to compassion, etc. and i am yet to see empirical evidence that says otherwise.

 

[Kwayera]

I think that it would be easy to "pull refrences" from any bible that support any view. I'm sure there are just as many/more points that say the opposite.

My argument is, is that abrahamic religions are overarchingly dedicated to compassion, etc. and i am yet to see empirical evidence that says otherwise.

No seriously. Go look up those references.



EDIT: I think Richard Dawkins said it best, and with much Biblical reference: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

 

[Kwayera]

well.
somethings that humans just cant prove or may never will.

science believes in evolution how man evolved from apes

We haven't stopped being apes, and that has been 'proved', but anyway..

but in the bible. its god that created everyone in his image.
for eg adam and eve. adam is made from soil and eve is made from adams ribs.

and yet the largest religon in aus is christian / catholic.
so things cant be explained.

What does that even mean?

 

[jasonml]

how do you post so fast!

EDIT:

well.
somethings that humans just cant prove or may never will.

science believes in evolution how man evolved from apes


but in the bible. its god that created everyone in his image.
for eg adam and eve. adam is made from soil and eve is made from adams ribs.

and yet the largest religon in aus is christian / catholic.
so things cant be explained.

Wait, what?

 

[tommykins]

well.
somethings that humans just cant prove or may never will.

science believes in evolution how man evolved from apes


but in the bible. its god that created everyone in his image.
for eg adam and eve. adam is made from soil and eve is made from adams ribs.

and yet the largest religon in aus is christian / catholic.
so things cant be explained.

what

 

[LingstyleZ]

well
it means that if god actually created humans in his own image.

den why did we have to evolve from apes

 

[Kwayera]

well
it means that if god actually created humans in his own image.

den why did we have to evolve from apes

We didn't "have to". We did, and we are (apes).

 

[jasonml]

well
it means that if god actually created humans in his own image.

den why did we have to evolve from apes

Well maybe the process of "creation" involved evolving from apes, to homosapian.

 

[Kwayera]

Well maybe the process of "creation" involved evolving from apes, to homosapian.

In which case, the need for a creator is entirely eliminated.

 

[LingstyleZ]

some questions cant be answered..
such as this one..

who knows wat happened
billions of years ago.

 

[tommykins]

some questions cant be answered..
such as this one..

who knows wat happened
billions of years ago.

what point are you making?

Big Bang? etc. etc.?

 

[LingstyleZ]

what point are you making?

Big Bang? etc. etc.?

yeh?
then wat happened?.
now dont give me obvious shit like earth was created.

it takes a long time after the big bang to form wat we call earth.

and theres someone that did all that in 7 days.

 

[Kwayera]

yeh?
then wat happened?.
now dont give me obvious shit like earth was created.

it takes a long time after the big bang to form wat we call earth.

and theres someone that did all that in 7 days.

Proof?

Also, could you kindly avail yourself of grammar and spelling.

 

[tommykins]

yeh?
then wat happened?.
now dont give me obvious shit like earth was created.

it takes a long time after the big bang to form wat we call earth.

and theres someone that did all that in 7 days.

what point are you trying to make?

we can't explain everything? well no shit, we're constantly developing ideas to explain the past.

so whats your point?