Iron
Ecclesiastical Die-Hard
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That's right, Christ fulfilled the OT by revealing the inherent love God has for His creation. When the OT talks about killing those who arent of the God of Israel, I think you have to read it as 'Jews were God's chosen people. He spoke primarily through them and was made man from amongst them. In the tenuous days of their early existance, it was imperative that they survived and with them God's relationship with man. We dont know the status of those who were killed/died before Christ's coming - indeed, we still mark the beginning of time itself by his arrival! When He returned to the Father, He left unto the world the power of the Holy Spirit which has since guided all seeking men in faith, charity and hope. But what we do know is that the deaths caused by Jews was a drop in the ocean compared to everything else that was going on in the world. The point is that things undeniably changed with Christ and the OT was given real flesh. You cant leap over Christ and point to the OT to criticise us, even though He was fulfilling the underlying Truth contained in the OT'...Biblical Verse of the Day:
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
As Obama even said, if the fundies got there way in America and instilled Biblical law, not even the defense department would survive its application!!
And to those who "reject the OT"- shame on you, for the LORD your GOD commands better!
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB) [Also fucks over the Prots!]
...just a few examples. Obey the commands of your LOVING, yet admittedly jealous, furious (yet perfect) LORD your GOD!!
Your other criticisms are boring though dood. 'Judging' the methods of God, however poorly as you manage, does not make Him go away. The pot cannot say to the potter that it was not made from Him, or that it is superior to Him. The first step in believing is admitting that God exists - in any form, even a bad one. The second more advanced step is in the flesh of Christ where true love and freedom is revealed.
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