'Guest workers' and Australia's labour shortage (2 Viewers)

[leetom]

wtf.. we have an employee SHORTAGE, there is LOW unemployment, why not?
It's not like these jobs are actually being "taken", they're just being filled which they otherwise would have not been.

Absolutely correct. We can't find any Australians willing to work in the jobs being offered to the guest workers. National unemployment is at an all-time low, so that means most Australians are employed somehwere. The five percent that are not employed are either to lazy or just not prepared to do manual labour.

Basically, Australians that COULD fill the labour shortage simply WON'T. We can't force them to either. Even if we could there still wouldn't be enough. This is where we turn to the Chinese workers, who are eager for work and are historically proven to do a good and effecient job to match.

 

[leetom]

So is (East) Germany. There will inevitably be backlash about "foreigners" taking jobs that could just easily go 2 locals in regional areas (u know wat country ppl are like) Its not a matter of just plonking people down here and expecting everything will work out ok. And i'm not being racist, there are dirt poor white people too (Albania). I'm only sayin i doubt John Howard would won't to see any more Asians, we already have the problem with illegal immigration.

John Howard is quite open to the idea of asian guest workers. You are wrong in suggesting that he does not like asians and wants to reduce their presence in Australia.

 

[Korn]

Absolutely correct. We can't find any Australians willing to work in the jobs being offered to the guest workers. National unemployment is at an all-time low, so that means most Australians are employed somehwere. The five percent that are not employed are either to lazy or just not prepared to do manual labour.

Basically, Australians that COULD fill the labour shortage simply WON'T. We can't force them to either. Even if we could there still wouldn't be enough. This is where we turn to the Chinese workers, who are eager for work and are historically proven to do a good and effecient job to match.

If the work for the dole scheme was properly enforced, then we wouldnt have as many lazy dole bludgers, and the ppl on the dole wouldnt feel guilty, because those that can work would be doing so, and those that couldnt wouldnt be sterotyped as dole bludgers. (I refer to dole bludgers as those not studying and receiving the dole when they could be working)

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The idea is just to pay them so that they shutup and don't steal stuff.

 

[Korn]

The idea is just to pay them so that they shutup and don't steal stuff.

What, do you mean the idea is just to make them shutup and not to steal

 

[Enlightened_One]

Current labour shortage? What the hell are the people on the dull and some such if not potential workers? Shouldn't the jobs first be filled by those on our welfare system before workers are shipped into Australia.

 

[Korn]

Current labour shortage? What the hell are the people on the dull and some such if not potential workers? Shouldn't the jobs first be filled by those on our welfare system before workers are shipped into Australia.

Yes as i have already stated this before, but not many ppl care to hear it

 

[Comrade nathan]

The bourgieosie now pefer the poor of poor countries to work as they are lest likely to lobby for higher wages.

 

[ihavenothing]

Blah, this is slavery all over again....

 

[alphatango]

I should note that the unemployment rate refers to people who are willing but unable to find work (this, of course, being the definition used by the ABS). (Actually, I think the definition refers to people "actively seeking employment".) For example, parents staying at home, people taking a holiday between jobs and so on are not counted as unemployed since they aren't actually looking for work.

Our participation rate, however, lies around 60-70%, as far as I can recall. Roughly speaking, the participation rate is (#(employed ppl) +#(unemployed ppl))/(ppl able to work). Namely, it considers the employed ppl plus the ppl who are looking for work as a percentage of the population of Australia between 15 and 65 (with appropriate adjustments for the disabled, etc).

Just thought I should point that out. Feel free to correct me on any points...it's been a while since I did my economics.

 

[Korn]

Blah, this is slavery all over again....

How is paying someone to work slavery, unless u didnt realise slaves werent paid money, they were brought and sold by white men, similarly to livestock

 

[Not-That-Bright]

That's the stupidest comment in this thread so far.
"slavery all over again".

 

[Korn]

That's the stupidest comment in this thread so far.
"slavery all over again".

Yes, glad u agree again, shit that happens alot ay

 

[leetom]

The bourgieosie now pefer the poor of poor countries to work as they are lest likely to lobby for higher wages.

Stop being such a communist. I want Chinese to work here because I want to see rural Chinese enjoy a better lifestyle. Working in Australia, even on minimum wage, is a great oppurtunity for poorer internationals. If a Chinese comes to Australia and works for four years, he can go back to China a wealthy man.

 

[ihavenothing]

It is like slavery, coz these ppl will not be respected as much as other australians and obviously will not have the same rights, Australia already has enough people that it can adequately sustain, there is no need for any more over population and immigration in this world.

 

[ihavenothing]

And also im not being racist, im just saying theres no more need for immigration we already have enough people and still not enough arable land to sustain more than we can give with global warming and everything. We need to shift what people we have onto the land first.

 

[leetom]

It is like slavery, coz these ppl will not be respected as much as other australians and obviously will not have the same rights, Australia already has enough people that it can adequately sustain, there is no need for any more over population and immigration in this world.

Stop being such an idiot. GUEST WORKERS as in TEMPORARY WORKERS.

Can't sustain any more people? So why is it that 1000 people legally immigrate to Sydney every week? BECAUSE WE CAN SUSTAIN THEM, not only sustain them, WE FUCKING NEED THEM.

No need for immigration? Immigration is the main source of our population growth, more so than childbirth.

You're an idiot.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Stop being such a communist.

Im not, im just saying its more economical to have poor workers from poor nations to work in rich countries like ours. There will be many benifits one being that these workers will be under pressure not to organise for pay rise and other worker rights by fear of losing work and pressure from right wing public.

Working in Australia, even on minimum wage, is a great oppurtunity for poorer internationals

They are still have there universal right to fight for the a higher wage and be treated the same as Australian workers.

coz these ppl will not be respected as much as other australians

Because of people like you.

 

[leetom]

They are still have there universal right to fight for the a higher wage and be treated the same as Australian workers.



Because of people like you.

Don't accuse me of not treating guest workers with the same amount of respect as Australian workers you red filth.

Just because I'm not a red does not give you the right to accuse me of being anti-egalitarian.

 

[azzie]

They are still have there universal right to fight for the a higher wage and be treated the same as Australian workers.

thats called wishful thinking. in this society they'll be exploted and used as... well... cheap hands.

you red filth.

dont bag communism. they're just trying to make the world a better place. i admire ideologists today.