Oh ok, I'll believe this based on anecdote... If a university were to grant some kid who'd recieved a low uai a place in a high-uai cut off course merely because their father had payed the university off it would be a frontpage story.loser101 said:
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hai guyz do u think we should tattoo DFEE on fee payin students foreheads? (2 Viewers)
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Yeah, its pretty unfair - especially overseas students - they really piss me off. Anyway I dont think it would really matter if they got stamped - they're still doing the course and still will have the degree and probably will get the job they want - so even if we tattoo them it'll make no difference.Enteebee said:
I don't know how I'd react, but I agree there's a high chance people would take the money etc. But what I'm saying is, someone, somewhere who wouldn't be getting a kickback at some time would notice and it would get leaked to the press and they'd have a field day.Evilo said:
Also we wouldn't know unless they told us.the-derivative said:
As soon as they get to uni, everyone is on the same level field again. Id i'd say it would be alot harder for someone to make themselves 'higher' than everyone else when compared with school.
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imo people who are economically disadvantaged should have some kind of Educational Access Scheme to help them get into uni...
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I know a DFEE paying student doing business/law at one of the major universities. All his 'friends' think he's just a 'little rich kid who's daddy bought him into the course'. However, he actually had some unfortunate personal circumstances during the HSC so didn't quite attain the cut-off for a HECS place. Now, judging by his marks in the first two years at uni, and from speaking to him, it looks as though he's shooting for the university medal, lol.
it's absolutely unfair, we worked hard to get here. It's a legalized bribery and some courses have cut-offs up to 10 points below the CSP/HECS, and that's LUDICROUS and UNFAIR for those who had to achieve that extra 10 marks so that they won't be a financial burden to their parents.
10 points below? Evidence please. It'll really show whether UAC are bastards or not. And btw, just to clear up the notion of "OMGAHHH EAS, 10 UAI POINTS 4 U", people have been rejected from EAS and only in very special circumstances would they get 10 bonus points. I've heard someone only got 2 and 5. I've yet to hear a 10 bonus pointer person.poppop said:
Nebuchanezzar
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Regardless of how big or small the bonus is, fact of the matter is that kids with rich daddies are valued moreso than kids who may be smarter, without rich daddies. That is, on the most fundamental level, grossly unfair.
I mean, damnit, the idea is that you work hard for your place at university. Paying a hefty sum of cash because of circumstance is hardly difficult.
I mean, damnit, the idea is that you work hard for your place at university. Paying a hefty sum of cash because of circumstance is hardly difficult.
Does this even happen in Australia? lol. Anyways, encouraging that type of benefactorism (is that a word?) isn't gonna help the situation in the long run. Sure, it'll make the university appear all flashy and nice, but the only peoples who'll be able to use it will be the kidz from Point Piper!undalay said:
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This is the last year that DFEE enrolments will be allowed, most likely, so don't worry about it too much, guys.
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Why was I not informed of this? 
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It's been Labor policy for years. They put out a press release a couple of months ago saying that they planned to phase DFEE out starting with 2009 admissions.Nebuchanezzar said:Why was I not informed of this?
jackmurray1989
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The uni's will get more international students to replace the DFEE's though. It's not like there'll be many more CSP's going around.
Nebuchanezzar
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I'd rather a thousand fobs that can't speak english that ruin the whole experience of university with their ethnic foods and so on, than one dirty, dirty, dirty dfee student!
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...095908939.htmlLawl said:
I hope the government does phase out DFEE.
It an absolute joke that most DFEE courses are usually about 4-5 points lower than CSP courses. All it means is that those who can't afford to pay the full cost have to work that much harder to get into their course.
It's not a level playing field. It should be the same UAI cut-off for everyone regardless of your financial situation.
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so essentially if/when dfee is stamped out, all of those dfee people will just go to private colleges?
Captain Gh3y
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You've made the mistake of constructing some sort of "DFEE is for rich people and CSP is for poor people" dichotomy; there are government loans for DFEE students, it's just if you're not good enough you have to actually pay for your degree instead of scabbing off the government.x-kendall-x said:
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ari89
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exactlyCaptain Gh3y said:You've made the mistake of constructing some sort of "DFEE is for rich people and CSP is for poor people" dichotomy; there are government loans for DFEE students, it's just if you're not good enough you have to actually pay for your degree instead of scabbing off the government.