ZabZu said:
Given all whats happened since 1948, I dont think all the suffering, both Jewish and Arab, was worth it. A Jewish state should have been established somewhere else. However, I have the gift of hindsight. I dont think Zionists before 1950 would have thought the region would have turned out as bad as it has.
Of course, no one can predict the future. basically, I do not care about the region. The region is a shit whole unquestionably which in my opinion is what the Arabs deserve. After all, leaders are a simple reflection of the populace. But that's a discussion for another day.
ZabZu said:
However, what will destroying Israel solve? Israeli Jews will become displaced and the numbers of refugees will far outnumber Palestinian refugees (those living outside Israel and the Palestinian territories). Now, why is it not ok to displace Palestinians but ok to displace Jewish Israelis? Surely a better situation would be to split the land? Even Sam admits Israel should still exist.
Jewish forces drove up to 700,000 Palestinians into exile. And after the first war, Israel barred the return of the Palestinian exiles whom had to live in tents so white European can live in their homes. why wasn't their any outcry?
Splitting the land? The Zionist elite would never allow it and this was never their intention! For all the public rhetoric about wanting to ‘live with the Arabs in conditions of unity and mutual honor and together with them to turn the common homeland into a flourishing land’ (Twelfth Zionist Congress, 1921 ), the Zionists from early on were in fact bent on expelling the Palestinians.
You mention some attrocities Israelis have committed. There have been attrocities committed on BOTH sides.
WHAT!? You cannot have a state which slaughters, wipes out and removes millions of people off its land , whom are Palestinian Muslim and Christians which are being slaughtered by Zionists, and simultaneously deny those people the ability to bear arms and defend themselves AGAINST OCCUPIERS. You can try, but it can never be made to work, NO MATTER WHAT. This reaction is a natural self defense mechanism in individuals. You cannot change it.
Also, over the past 20 years most Israelis have come to support the establishment of a Palestinian state. If you look at the results from the last Israeli election, parties that supported the 2 state solution such as Kadima, Labour and a pensioners party all did well.
yeah, when did democratic governments even enforce what the majority of the people wanted?
Anyways, who are the Israelis to decide what happens on Palestinian land? I could never support such an apartheid regime. A state filled with European survivors of the holocaust. you look at a world map and the middle east region, all you see around the Mediterranean and the middle east are Arabs, wogs, black hair brown eyes.....and in the middle somewhere you have blond hair blue eyed Caucasian. What a fucking joke. (im not trying be racist, but i hope you know what i mean?)
ZabZu said:
even though Hamas was elected just a month before in the Palestinian territories. Yet in the Muslim world a dominant opinion is that Israel be destroyed, despite the fact that its existed for 60 years and is a prominent member of the international community.
yada yada yada. Israel is in a position where it’s a strategic influence for western countries. That’s the only reason why it has so much support. Other than that no1 gives a shit.
