Homosexuality (1 Viewer)

[ghettofabolous]

But there is genes that is the cause (or at least VERY strongly dispositions one towards) of homosexuality in some people.

No there isn't. Some genes are just found common, in 'some people' doesn't give it the right to even be a dominant fact - if it's not very successful, it's just a 'so-so' thing. Sure, some things are genetic and heretic or whatever, but a way of sexuality is not

 

[ghettofabolous]

Dude, wat wrong with u?? If u ran ouit of juice go buy some more from the shop!!!

FAGGOT lol no disrespect, disco biotch

 

[Xayma]

No there isn't. Some genes are just found common, in 'some people' doesn't give it the right to even be a dominant fact - if it's not very successful, it's just a 'so-so' thing. Sure, some things are genetic and heretic or whatever, but a way of sexuality is not

Survival of genetic homosexual traits explained

* 00:01 13 October 2004
* NewScientist.com news service
* Andy Coghlan

Italian geneticists may have explained how genes apparently linked to male homosexuality survive, despite gay men seldom having children. Their findings also undermine the theory of a single “gay gene”.

The researchers discovered that women tend to have more children when they inherit the same - as yet unidentified - genetic factors linked to homosexuality in men. This fertility boost more than compensates for the lack of offspring fathered by gay men, and keeps the “gay” genetic factors in circulation.

The findings represent the best explanation yet for the Darwinian paradox presented by homosexuality: it is a genetic dead-end, yet the trait persists generation after generation.

“We have finally solved this paradox,” says Andrea Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua. “The same factor that influences sexual orientation in males promotes higher fecundity in females.”
Relative differences

Camperio-Ciani's team questioned 98 gay and 100 straight men about their closest relatives - 4600 people in total. They found that female relatives of gay men had more children on average than the female relatives of straight men. But the effect was only seen on their mother’s side of the family.

Mothers of gay men produced an average of 2.7 babies compared with 2.3 born to mothers of straight men. And maternal aunts of gay men had 2.0 babies compared with 1.5 born to the maternal aunts of straight men.

“This is a novel finding," says Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist and commentator on sexuality at Stanford University in California. “We think of it as genes for ‘male homosexuality’, but it might really be genes for sexual attraction to men. These could predispose men towards homosexuality and women towards ‘hyper-heterosexuality’, causing women to have more sex with men and thus have more offspring.”

Camperio-Ciani stresses that whatever the genetic factors are, there is no single gene accounting for his observations. And the tendency of the trait to be passed through the female line backs previous research suggesting that some of the factors involved are on the male “X” chromosome, the only sex chromosome passed down by women. “It’s a combination of something on the X chromosome with other genetic factors on the non-sex chromosomes,” he says.
Immune system

Helen Wallace, of the UK lobby group GeneWatch, welcomes the new research that moves away from the controversial single-gene theory for homosexuality. “But it’s worth noting that the data on the sexuality of family members may be unreliable, so more studies are likely to be needed to confirm these findings,” she says.

Even if the maternal factors identified by Camperio-Ciani’s team are linked with male homosexuality, the research team’s calculations suggest they account for only about 14% of the incidence.

Their findings also support earlier findings that when mothers have several sons, the younger ones are progressively more likely to be gay. This might be due to effects changes to the mother’s immune system with each son they carry.

But Camperio-Ciani calculates the contribution of this effect to male homosexuality at 7% at most. So together, he says, the “maternal” and “immune” effects only account for 21% of male homosexuality, leaving 79% of the causation still a mystery.

This leaves a major role for environmental factors, or perhaps more genetic factors. “Genes must develop in an environment, so if the environment changes, genes go in a new direction,” he says. “Our findings are only one piece in a much larger puzzle on the nature of human sexuality.”

Journal reference: Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences (DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2004)

source:http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519

 

[disco]

Most definately not!

r u saying that being gay is wrong?? wats wrong with gay people and /or being gay???

 

[ur_inner_child]

wow.

two pages into the thread and you don't see a mod listing all the threads about homosexuality.................

 

[Xayma]

wow.

two pages into the thread and you don't see a mod listing all the threads about homosexuality.................

Yes but then they won't read them. I like posting links to various articles as the issue comes up and it also gives me time to update with any new links etc.

 

[withoutaface]

source:http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519

Maybe, to put it bluntly, it's just a gene that makes you crave the cock more?

 

[ghettofabolous]

source:http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519

Pssht ... I'm very unopenminded to that one

 

[Xayma]

Maybe, to put it bluntly, it's just a gene that makes you crave the cock more?

Which is remarkably linked to the topic at hand.

 

[ghettofabolous]

The bible, a few thousand year old book, i believe is outdated, do you follow every recomendation and rule outlined in the bible? People can not pick and chose the rules they believe that they wish to follow and others that are not as important while critising another person for their personal actions, beacause that person may very well chose to not follow certain rules in the bible as well. Those people who follow every thing the bible outlines (fundamentalists) can express their opinion about those who do not follow the bible as much as they want, but we all know how many people there are that never sin, and from what i understand homosexuality is considered by the bible as a sin, and that you 'will not end up in heaven if you involve yourself in such acts'.



Ohh Of Course not, the changes are only expressed through the change in shifting morals and values of society, but hey, its only the majority of society's values that have changed so no way that could be important at all could it now?



Yes i have seen the verses, and again you can not pick and chose what you like others to obey and what you believe is acceptable rules for people to break... are you the head of the church???? or god for that matter?

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You know what i think is a good part in the bible, where it outlines that there should never be female priests (catholic etc) do u think thats a good idea as well?

m

I'm not Catholic so i don't know/care much for priests.
And OBVIOUSLY I'm not God - I can be 'god with a little case gee' but no God, duh. And I'm not head of the church. And yes I should not be preaching so bluntly but I choose to because I have my own opinions as do you guys and I choose to defy some.

 

[ghettofabolous]

What? You? 'UnOpenminded' No? You wouldent be would you

Lol new word added to my vocabulary three seconds ago muahaha

 

[ghettofabolous]

http://dictionary.oed.com/readers/submitform.dtl



m

Whoaaa is that REAL?? Have you tried it?
I'm excited

 

[ghettofabolous]

lol nope havent tried it lol

found it just for u lol

m

haha w00t w00t you rock. Hey I saw your subjects - I thought you were in uni or something. We both do advance english, business and general maths - we are so awesome

 

[seeka_train]

Catholic opinion

Being homosexual is NOT a sin, it's that homosexual practices that are a sin.

 

[ghettofabolous]

lol yes adv eng is shit i hate it lol... y did u think i was in uni




yes but it's alot to ask for homosexuals to deny their sexual 'needs?' lol

m

Because I make assumptions that automatically turn people older than they are in my head maybe, I don't know. And Advance English is shit - our teacher is a complete bludge so we do nothing all class, and we learn nothing. So much for preparing for the HSC

 

[tempco]

Being homosexual is NOT a sin, it's that homosexual practices that are a sin.

then why are you a homosexual then? just for the sake of it?

 

[ghettofabolous]

then why are you a homosexual then? just for the sake of it?

No, usually they find a natural attraction to the opposite sex, practice is totally different

 

[seeka_train]

<QUOTE>yes but it's alot to ask for homosexuals to deny their sexual 'needs?' lol </QUOTE>

Well if they are religious then they would at least TRY to abstain from it?

 

[ghettofabolous]

<QUOTE>yes but it's alot to ask for homosexuals to deny their sexual 'needs?' lol </QUOTE>

Well if they are religious then they would at least TRY to abstain from it?

True dat

 

[modelzsuck]

I'm not saying this to offend homosexuals, I'm just saying it out of curiosity - have you people seen what the Bible has said about it? Like direct verses?

There is not a single person in the world that has not sinned, come off it, you cant spout your bible shit unless you have never created a sin, which is what homosexuality is. :uhhuh: