Mandatory Internet Censorship in Australia (4 Viewers)

[jarkler]

Stop replying to Lauchlans posts.

 

[SnowFox]

Stop replying to Lauchlans posts.

He is a unsuccessful troll who deserves every beat down he gets on here.

 

[jarkler]

If you reply it means you're being trolled.

 

[greekgun]

 

[nevery]

Here's what I think will happen...

One way or another this will eventually happen.

And then Internet Australia wide will slow down considerably... and everyone will learn how to use proxy's... including businesses... and the general populace of Australia will be like "why the fuck did we ever get this in the first place?"

It get's removed after people realise it was a dumb waste of money... Rudd gets remembered for 100 years as the dumb shit who brought in Internet censorship and not for the good stuff he did...

end of story...

That's quite likely, but I'd prefer if they didn't implement the filter at all. However, if that's what it takes the government to learn, then perhaps....

But still, it's a rubbish idea. Vote them out I say. But is Abbott any better?

 

[nevery]

From the SMH a few days ago. When will Conroy LISTEN? Perhaps he will when he's voted out.

Australia pushes net censorship in Washington

Australian government representatives have recently met US officials in Washington to discuss concerns over the forthcoming internet censorship regime raised by the US ambassador to Australia and the US State Department.
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has come under increasing pressure to reveal the content of discussions with US officials after the US State Department said it had "raised concerns" with Australia and the US ambassador said net censorship was not necessary.
On ABC's Q&A program this month, US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich said the same goals set out by the government on cyber safety could be achieved without censorship. Bleich said the US was willing to "share our efforts" with Australia.
He said: "The internet needs to be free. It needs to be free the way we have said the skies have to be free, outer space has to be free, the polar caps have to be free, the oceans have to be free. They're shared resources of all the people of the world."
In a letter to Foreign Minister Stephen Smith, Queensland Liberal Senator Sue Boyce pressured the government to release more details of its discussions with the US.
Conroy had said that the US State Department asked for "background information only" on the filtering policy.
"I find it difficult to reconcile a statement that the US government had 'raised concerns' with Minister Conroy's assertion that the US government had only asked for 'background information'," Boyce wrote.
"It is a deplorable situation when Australians have to rely upon the frankness of a foreign diplomat to provide information about bilateral discussions on a very important matter because relevant Australian ministers either dissemble or just refuse to say anything."
A spokeswoman for Smith directed all requests for comment to Conroy's office. Conroy's spokeswoman confirmed that Australian and US officials "have met in Washington to discuss the issue recently".
The spokeswoman would not reveal further details of the discussions but questioned Bleich's comments that Australia's goal was to capture and prosecute child pornographers.
"The government has never claimed ISP filtering is about catching paedophiles; it is about blocking inadvertent access to abhorrent content which includes child sexual abuse content," Conroy's spokeswoman said.
"Australia is not alone in its approach and we applaud the European Commission that announced just last week that it would require members states to ensure that websites containing child pornography are blocked."
The government plans to introduce legislation to enable the internet filtering policy in the second half of the year. It will require ISPs to block a blacklist of banned "refused classification" (RC) websites for all Australians.
Unlike the system in some other countries, which is typically limited to child porn, it is feared the Australian model to block RC content is much broader and will cover innocuous material such as euthanasia and abortion sites or graffiti videos on YouTube.
Conroy believes he is simply applying offline classification rules to the online world, saying you can't access RC material on DVD, in libraries, at the cinema, on television or at newsagents.
But unlike in those mediums, the internet blacklist will not give citizens the chance to find out what is censored and why.
Critics of the government's policy, including Lake Macquarie councillor Anthony Birt, who has written to Liberal MPs imploring them to oppose the legislation, say the filter will not address the major cyber safety concerns of parents.
Colin Jacobs, chairman of the online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia, said he was mystified as to why trying to regulate the global internet like an Australian newsagent was a priority for the government.
"As the dialogue with the US indicates, trying to do so is doomed to fail and completely ignores the enormous benefits we reap from keeping the internet open," Jacobs said.
"They are now defending the policy on the basis that it will stop people 'accidentally' stumbling across abhorrent material. That's an astoundingly weak justification for more censorship, and the filter won't even be able to accomplish that."
Birt questioned whether children were, as Conroy claims, stumbling across child pornography and noted that the filters would do nothing to stop the distribution of child porn over other means such as email, chat programs, BitTorrent and peer-to-peer networks.
He said parents who were concerned about content their children were viewing online could already install software filters and website blockers on their computers.
"So we have a proposal that will do nothing to prevent the real problem of child pornography, which exists outside the scope of this filter, and nothing to prevent children from real cyber safety concerns," Birt wrote.
"And while not achieving its major objective, this system will simultaneously restrict free speech and access to legal content and controversial material on the internet, in a secret way behind closed doors with no accountability."

 

[abbeyroad]

this cunt is a clown, he's destroying everything liberal democracy stands for.

 

[murphyad]

That's quite likely, but I'd prefer if they didn't implement the filter at all. However, if that's what it takes the government to learn, then perhaps....

But still, it's a rubbish idea. Vote them out I say. But is Abbott any better?

I'm pretty sure Abbott has hinted that he supports the filter. I say 'pretty sure' coz I can't be bothered to cite anything in support.

Also more worryingly, it has general support amongst the population. What the fuck is wrong with Australians in general.

 

[scarybunny]

Most of them aren't internet warriors like you and I, and don't realise that Conroy is talking out of his arse most of the time.


They hear that children will be protected from CP and jump at it without actually thinking.

All the SMH online polls have been very decidedly against the filter. The online community, those who participate in it, do not want it.

 

[nevery]

Most of them aren't internet warriors like you and I, and don't realise that Conroy is talking out of his arse most of the time.


They hear that children will be protected from CP and jump at it without actually thinking.

All the SMH online polls have been very decidedly against the filter. The online community, those who participate in it, do not want it.

The online community are the people that are going to be affected most by this. Most of the population as you said are ignorant.

 

[Lauchlan]

L O L - i wouldnt call what im doing trolling.

i think it was one or two neutral comments i made that obviously didnt sink well into your sensitive narrow minds. suddenly its all out war where you all go on about how bad it is for you all to not be able to visit your porn sites, and apparently blame me for the filter.

i dont agree with what ive heard about the policy, but i agree with the principle behind this policy which is to deny the publuc access to selected 'inappropriate' material.

im not saying the policy will be effective, or that it should come into effect.

ill say it again - my comments were related to the internet filter concept for australia and i stand by them.

obviously people seem to have a passion for blaming me for their problems, but ill remind all of you that in many ways im on your side in regard to being against this policy.

 

[BigBoyJames -]

Apparently Australians believe in freedom of speech so anyone that supports internet censorship isnt a true Australian.

 

[nevery]

I'm pretty sure Abbott has hinted that he supports the filter. I say 'pretty sure' coz I can't be bothered to cite anything in support.

Also more worryingly, it has general support amongst the population. What the fuck is wrong with Australians in general.

I wacthed Abbott on Q&A a few weeks ago, and while he said that the Liberal Party had no formal policy on this - yet - I did get the impression that he supported the idea of stopping CP but I'm not sure he has a stance either way on the filter. But since it's an election year, I'm betting that he's going to go with the option that wins him the most votes. Disgraceful how politics has come to that, isn't it?

 

[murphyad]

Apparently Australians believe in freedom of speech so anyone that supports internet censorship isnt a true Australian.

yes that is the truth you freedom-hating commie

I wacthed Abbott on Q&A a few weeks ago, and while he said that the Liberal Party had no formal policy on this - yet - I did get the impression that he supported the idea of stopping CP but I'm not sure he has a stance either way on the filter. But since it's an election year, I'm betting that he's going to go with the option that wins him the most votes. Disgraceful how politics has come to that, isn't it?

I'd say that if he did have a stance, it would be a socially-conservative 'pro'. Then again, you never know, maybe the 'small l' liberal that I assume resides somewhere deep down inside him objects to it.

And as disgraceful as it may be, election year politicking has always been about securing votes.

 

[BigBoyJames -]

Fuck the government.

fuck voting.

take arms Sir, it is the only option left.

 

[nevery]

I'd say that if he did have a stance, it would be a socially-conservative 'pro'. Then again, you never know, maybe the 'small l' liberal that I assume resides somewhere deep down inside him objects to it..

I'm not really a fan of Abbott to be honest, but he'll win some respect for me if he is against this.

This will be an interesting election, especially if the government goes to it with the net censorship plan.

 

[Lauchlan]

I wacthed Abbott on Q&A a few weeks ago, and while he said that the Liberal Party had no formal policy on this - yet - I did get the impression that he supported the idea of stopping CP but I'm not sure he has a stance either way on the filter. But since it's an election year, I'm betting that he's going to go with the option that wins him the most votes. Disgraceful how politics has come to that, isn't it?

im sure abbott agress with rudd on many issues, but chooses to opose and get the votes of the many australians who do oppose rudd.

 

[murphyad]

I'm not really a fan of Abbott to be honest, but he'll win some respect for me if he is against this.

This will be an interesting election, especially if the government goes to it with the net censorship plan.

It will be interesting, but unfortunately the general public are in favour of the censor. As someone posted earlier, most people see the dissenters as a bunch of spastic chansters who liek teh kiddie pr0nz.

 

[Lauchlan]

It will be interesting, but unfortunately the general public are in favour of the censor. As someone posted earlier, most people see the dissenters as a bunch of spastic chansters who liek teh kiddie pr0nz.

i said that most of the general public agree and was shunted down and told i was lying.

that just proves how wrong some of you are who are so quick to oppose me, and rudd for that matter (not saying i dont oppose on this issue because i do to an extent)

 

[cosmo kramer]

who cares the internet is mostly garbage anyway