N award (2 Viewers)

[guidedbyvoices]

Today the teacher threatened to give me an N award determination. Anyone care to explain how the n award system works and what i have to lose if i end up getting one. My school makes everybody do 12 units, so I'm stuck with a subject I don't want to do and I'm being punished for it.

 

[-may-cat-]

Today the teacher threatened to give me an N award determination. Anyone care to explain how the n award system works and what i have to lose if i end up getting one. My school makes everybody do 12 units, so I'm stuck with a subject I don't want to do and I'm being punished for it.

You receive N awards for failing to meet the course requirements, eg:

- You do not complete the required hours (ie you skip class a lot)
- You do not complete or make a serious attempt at assessments, tests, homework etc

I'm pretty sure there are more, but i can't think of them atm. I could be wrong on this (and please someone correct me if im wrong), but i think the way it works is that if you accumulate 3 N Award warnings in one subject that you don't work off then you fail to meet the course requirements, receive a N award and fail the subject. Often the school may decide to kick you out at this point, its happened to a couple of friends of mine.

You can work off the N award warnings by completing missed assessments etc but i think this is at the discretion of the teacher or principle, i dunno about missing class though... also, im not sure of what the consequences are for failing a subject, but i have a feeling it would put your HSC in jeopardy.

By the way, i never got how at some schools you 'have' to take 12 units, Board of Studies guidelines only require 10 and in the end they're the main authority for such things. I mean, they can't seriously ask you to leave the school for taking 10 units, thats ludicrous.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

- You do not complete or make a serious attempt at assessments, tests,

By the way, i never got how at some schools you 'have' to take 12 units, Board of Studies guidelines only require 10 and in the end they're the main authority for such things. I mean, they can't seriously ask you to leave the school for taking 10 units, thats ludicrous.

That'd be me. The teacher talks all lesson which is 80 minutes. I struggle to concentrate after 40 mins has gone by. Homework is then given at the end of the lesson, which could've been done during the lesson.

I have no idea why they make us do 12. They also put all the subjects I wanted to do in the same line pretty much, so I had to pick 3 subjects I didn't think I'd do (nor want to do).

I thought because your worst subject isn't counted when you have 12 units (so I've been told), that getting an N award would do the same thing.

 

[-may-cat-]

Just not doing some homework and mucking around in class really shouldn't be grounds for an N award warning... If you're not doing the assessments then i can see it, but if its only the things you mentioned then it sounds like your teachers being a bit extreme, maybe he/she is just trying to scare you into doing it? If he/she is being very serious about it i would really start thinking about pulling your shit together- you don't want to have to deal with N award warnings piling up.

Its crappy that you're stuck with subjects that you don't like, but to be honest if it was that much of a problem for you you should have talked it over with your year adviser earlier, its too late now.

I thought because your worst subject isn't counted when you have 12 units (so I've been told), that getting an N award would do the same thing.

As for this, i don't think it works that way. Actually receiving an N award is pretty serious, its not like you just have done badly so its not being counted, you actually fail. Again, im not sure of the implications here and it would be helpful if someone else knew what happened in this situation. I wouldn't rely on this, but i have heard that receiving an N awards means that you are no longer eligible for an HSC .

EDIT: Yup, looks like an N award can mean you don't get the HSC
What does satisfactory completion mean?

To satisfactorily complete a course, students must:

* follow the course developed or endorsed by the Board
* apply themselves with diligence and sustained effort
* achieve some or all of the course outcomes.

Satisfactory completion can be judged by attendance, level of involvement in class, assignments and tasks completed, and level of achievement. Failure to meet one or more of these requirements may lead to an 'N' or 'Non-completion' determination. An 'N' determination for a course may make a student ineligible for the HSC.

Understanding students' results - Board of Studies NSW

 

[q3thefish]

That'd be me. The teacher talks all lesson which is 80 minutes. I struggle to concentrate after 40 mins has gone by. Homework is then given at the end of the lesson, which could've been done during the lesson.

I have no idea why they make us do 12. They also put all the subjects I wanted to do in the same line pretty much, so I had to pick 3 subjects I didn't think I'd do (nor want to do).

I thought because your worst subject isn't counted when you have 12 units (so I've been told), that getting an N award would do the same thing.

Lol. You should NOT be forced into doing 12 units. Shank one of the teachers afta school or something.

 

[eldore44]

"An 'N' determination for a course may make a student ineligible for the HSC."

The use of the word 'may' in that, I would assume, only applies if you have 10 units. Really, why would they make you fail the HSC for not working in one subject?

However, it would look terrible on your final certificate. Try and drop it just before the trials. I would recommend making some kind of deal with the school, still turning up to the class but drop the subject officially.

 

[Aplus]

Try and drop it just before the trials. I would recommend making some kind of deal with the school, still turning up to the class but drop the subject officially.

lol what a waste of time.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

I wouldn't rely on this, but i have heard that receiving an N awards means that you are no longer eligible for an HSC .

It's not an N award yet. Just a N 'determination'. I'm not sure if there is a real difference.

I've been threatened a few times before but it sounded a tad serious this time.

 

[Mu5hi]

You can be only N awarded in 1 subject. e.g i have 6 subjects, get N awarded for physics. I can still do my HSC and get UAI. But if you get N awarded in english, your HSC is fucked, because its compulsory. If you have 10 units, get N awarded in one, then your HSC is over.

 

[-may-cat-]

It's not an N award yet. Just a N 'determination'. I'm not sure if there is a real difference.

I've been threatened a few times before but it sounded a tad serious this time.

An n award and an N determination are the same thing, i think. you have probably been threatened with warnings... have you received letters from the school about it?

The use of the word 'may' in that, I would assume, only applies if you have 10 units. Really, why would they make you fail the HSC for not working in one subject?
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You can be only N awarded in 1 subject. e.g i have 6 subjects, get N awarded for physics. I can still do my HSC and get UAI. But if you get N awarded in english, your HSC is fucked, because its compulsory. If you have 10 units, get N awarded in one, then your HSC is over.

While this does sound plausible, its a bit silly to risk your entire HSC on something that you just assume to be true. We can give advice based on educated guesses but in the end thats all they are, guesses. I really think you should talk to someone at your school or ring the board of studies about this to get solid answers so you can be sure of your decisions.

Keep in mind the easiest way to make all of this irrelevant is to just put in a bit more effort!!

EDIT: I just found these, they don't come from very reputable sources, but still.

If a student receives an ‘N’ Determination for a 2 Unit course and is studying the associated
Extension course then they will also be deemed unsatisfactory in that Extension course.
If a student receives an ‘N’ Determination in an HSC Course(s) by the Board of Studies the
course will not appear on the HSC Record of Achievement. As a result, in some cases the
student may not meet the pattern of study requirements and hence be ineligible for the award
of the Higher School Certificate in that year

Dear students,

What happens if I get an “N” determination in a course?
1. That course will not appear on your Record of Achievement. It is then
likely you will not meet the pattern of study requirements (e.g. not
have enough units) and hence be ineligible for the HSC in that year.

Dear students,

So, it really does matter what subject is threatening the N award warnings, if its english you really need work harder.

 

[dp624]

I would really try to pick up my game right about now

 

[guidedbyvoices]

So, it really does matter what subject is threatening the N award warnings, if its english you really need work harder.

Nope, it's chem.

Hopefully it's just another bluff. I'm not even coming last in the class. :mad1: I know that effort is the main concern here but still seems like a bit of a commotion over nothing. I'm still giving the same amount of effort in other classes it's just chem is probably a bit more involved and my teacher is a bit harder to cope with. Surely they wouldn't take my HSC away after 6 years of no trouble and good marks all because I'm failing a subject with 1 term to go.

Thanks for the help.

 

[aimzlouise]

just a question with this

if u fail a subject do u fail ur hsc (im doing 12 units)

 

[dp624]

nah i don't tihnk so
can you actually 'fail your hsc'?

 

[lyounamu]

nah i don't tihnk so
can you actually 'fail your hsc'?

ahha what's the definition of "failing your hsc?"

below 50 UAI?

so ye, I agree. We cannot fail HSC...

 

[axlenatore]

define fail

If by fail you mean miss out on getting a hsc then you can fail subjects, you just have the meet the requirements

you can get 30 and under for you uai and still get a hsc

 

[electrolysis]

I think she meant that if you fail a subject by getting N awards, do you become ineligible for a Higher School Certificate

 

[-may-cat-]

I think she meant that if you fail a subject by getting N awards, you can become ineligible for a Higher School Certificate

yup, you fail a subject if you get an N award.

 

[I Study Hard]

I know someone who got an N Award sent home.
He was and still is ranked number one in the subject he recieved the letter for.
The teacher just really didn't like him x_x;

 

[BOSBOY]

I know someone who got an N Award sent home.

People are confusing an N award (N determination) with warning letters. You get a warning letter sent home if you miss an assessment task or don't engage with the class activities.

Get two warning letters in the same course and the Principal is entitled to give you an N determination at the end of the course. Then the entire course, including assessments, disappears from your HSC.