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so we all agree that hillsong is the worst christian denom.?
Why? Apart from the whole fuckers being spelt with no apostrophe, there's something pretty wrong with that. Do the Christian Right ppl in Australia threaten your way of life personally? Do they wish to kill you? They might live in a way that you disagree with and have varying ideas on social legislation but nothing terrifically awful. Although people talk about Family First and all that, their impact hasn't been felt to a huge extent. I fail to see why such a huge fuss must be raised?Damage Inc. said:Hell yeah! The Christian right are the scariest fucker's in the world right now. I'd be more worried about them being in Australia than "terrorists".
lol. pity they got rid of rep. thanks ntbNot-That-Bright said:Well the problem would occur if they started being able to impose their beliefs on others... but I don't really see that happening any time soon. Damage Inc. is just your average misguided teen, trying to make a conspiracy out of the banal commonplace.
it should beAsquithian said:They do when they get into parliament and start making the laws that govern us all.
The whole separation of church/state logic is a bit confusing to me...azzie said:it should be
religion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------the state
rather than religion/the state
He was elected as a Senator for Victoria with a ridiculously low primary vote, not as the two-party preferred candidate for a house of reps electorate. There is no 'logical conclusion' to be made.jennylim said:If Family First/etc are voted in by various people, the logical conclusion is that a majority of that particular electorate wanted them there. Therefore their behaviour/policies shouldn't be seen as "threatening" to everyone's way of life.
Why does it matter how much primary vote he got?Generator said:He was elected as a Senator for Victoria with a ridiculously low primary vote, not as the two-party preferred candidate for a house of reps electorate. There is no 'logical conclusion' to be made.
Well, I'd hate to think that one could make a logical conclusion that the greater part of the population wanted a particular candidate merely because they reached the required quota after the distribution of preferences without considering their primary vote count, particularly given that it's the Senate. A number of people may like the idea of a family first/christian/assemblies of god Senator representing Victoria, but it's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's logical to assume that the majority wanted such a candidate to be successful.Not-That-Bright said:Why does it matter how much primary vote he got?
Perhaps not a majority, but I believe under the preference system that (if they paid attention to what they were doing) most at least got their second pick.Generator said:Well, I'd hate to think that one could make a logical conclusion that the greater part of the population wanted a particular candidate merely because they reached the required quota after the distribution of preferences without considering their primary vote count, particularly given that it's the Senate. A number of people may like the idea of a family first/christian/assemblies of god Senator representing Victoria, but it's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's logical to assume that the majority wanted such a candidate to be successful.
i didn't say majority of the population. i meant majority of the electorate in which that guy was running. and as ntb said, perhaps the majority got their 2nd preference. so although it's not quite as direct as it could otherwise be, it's still democratic enough. not quite evil-christian-domination-ruling-with-no one's-consent type thing.Generator said:Well, I'd hate to think that one could make a logical conclusion that the greater part of the population wanted a particular candidate merely because they reached the required quota after the distribution of preferences without considering their primary vote count, particularly given that it's the Senate. A number of people may like the idea of a family first/christian/assemblies of god Senator representing Victoria, but it's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's logical to assume that the majority wanted such a candidate to be successful.
...jennylim said:i didn't say majority of the population. i meant majority of the electorate in which that guy was running. and as ntb said, perhaps the majority got their 2nd preference. so although it's not quite as direct as it could otherwise be, it's still democratic enough. not quite evil-christian-domination-ruling-with-no one's-consent type thing.
Do you know who Fred Nile is?jennylim said:Really, we're here, we say our point of view, but not many people listen. So it's still beyond me as to why Christians are seen as dangerous.
*hides* lol yes. studied him briefly in studies of religion. errr yeah, personally i don't agree with a lot of what he says - but (please correct me if i'm wrong) i'm under the impression he doesn't have a lot of political power. i think there are only 2 CDP members in the legislative council, right?MoonlightSonata said:Do you know who Fred Nile is?