Post Election Thoughts Continued (2 Viewers)

[Beaky]

Great scott Beaky is that a delorian!

Among the best movies ever

hahah legend mate... i have to agree with you.

*Whistles Huey Lewis's- Power of Love

 

[Soma]

Golfstick I'm going to have to disagree with you here. If you want to have a go at Asqy at least logically criticise the guy instead of resorting to name-calling.
You said before that the majority of people voted for the Liberal Party, in fact only 46% voted for the coalition which means even less for the Liberals themselves.
Despite this it is true that Saturday's election was a landslide. I think this is only about the 2nd or 3rd time that the Liberal party has actually beaten Labor outright.
I feel it's downplaying the issue to call Liberal voters stupid however, from my social circle many of my friends vote Liberal. Mark Latham played a positive campaign, he put forward serious social issued for the betterment of society. Instead, people chose to vote for a relatively economically sound alternative.

Anyone that voted for the Liberal party's vote was self-serving and this cannot be argued otherwise. A vote for the Liberal Party is pragmatic and thus essentially selfish. I understand why certain people vote Liberal and when I have a mortgage of my own who knows, maybe my political affiliation will change.

The fact that the Liberal Party won does not depress me too heavily because I come from a high-income family, with siblings at elite private schools and economically will do better under the Liberal Government, despite this I voted Labor as did my family because it was through Gough Whitlam's free University education policy that my father was able to get a law degree and in turn provide me and my siblings with opportunities.

What does depress me however is all the Liberal voters from the lower-middle classes and working classes who believe they will do better under a Liberal government. These are the people who have been misled by Howard's lies. A lecturer of mine once said that the most conservative person is one with a mortgage and this is very true. However, with a majority in the senate it will mainly be high-income earners who now prosper. Murdoch and Packer have been massive sponsors of the Liberal Party over the last 8 years and now it will be the Liberal Party's turn to repay in kind.

 

[bluesky100]

I keep shuddering at the thought of the Libs having BOTH the house of reps and the senate {{{{{{{{{{{{shiver}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Good-bye Telstra, Good-bye a whole raft of labour relation laws, Good-bye tax breaks for the likes of you and me, good bye environment.

All I can say is sometimes the swing has to go all the way in one direction before it can change and come back. I think some of the problem is that the Senate has worked too well - it has put brakes on some of the worst excesses and people have come to think that that means Howard is a moderate - he isn't he just has not been able to get away with much up until now.

 

[paper cup]

I keep shuddering at the thought of the Libs having BOTH the house of reps and the senate {{{{{{{{{{{{shiver}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Good-bye Telstra, Good-bye a whole raft of labour relation laws, Good-bye tax breaks for the likes of you and me, good bye environment.

All I can say is sometimes the swing has to go all the way in one direction before it can change and come back. I think some of the problem is that the Senate has worked too well - it has put brakes on some of the worst excesses and people have come to think that that means Howard is a moderate - he isn't he just has not been able to get away with much up until now.

do not forget, goodbye HECS, education, and health.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

So your family voted by what Gough Whitlam did?

 

[MoonlightSonata]

do not forget, goodbye HECS,

Again, it's not actually THAT much. Say average cost of a 3 year degree is $4000. With the 25% increase thats $1000 more a year. So instead of paying $12000 for your degree, you pay $15000. Not much of a difference in light of the fact it opens up more uni places for other students.

education,

Labor promised $1 billion extra for non-private schools and wanted to slash funding for hundreds of private schools. The Coalition is granting $700 million extra for government schools and $300 million extra for needy religious schools without cutting funding from private schools.

and health.

Medicare Gold?
(a) Its already cheaper for them
(b) The rest of the people below 75 lose out on places
(c) It wasn't backed by the medical community.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I wonder.. would the opposite of facism been communism OR anarchy?

 

[launcher169]

ahh the harsh debating of a australian political debate - dont you just love it

 

[Ziff]

I wonder.. would the opposite of facism been communism OR anarchy?

www.politicalcompass.org

 

[MoonlightSonata]

I wonder.. would the opposite of facism been communism OR anarchy?

It was your idea!

Probably should have said socialism though

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yea but im not sure.. because the Socialist Alliance seems like they're into Anarchy...
Maybe i'm too facist lol

 

[paper cup]

Again, it's not actually THAT much. Say average cost of a 3 year degree is $4000. With the 25% increase thats $1000 more a year. So instead of paying $12000 for your degree, you pay $15000. Not much of a difference in light of the fact it opens up more uni places for other students.



Labor promised $1 billion extra for non-private schools and wanted to slash funding for hundreds of private schools. The Coalition is granting $700 million extra for government schools and $300 million extra for needy religious schools without cutting funding from private schools.



Medicare Gold?
(a) Its already cheaper for them
(b) The rest of the people below 75 lose out on places
(c) It wasn't backed by the medical community.

can someone, and I have asked this question many many times, tell me why a school like abbotsleigh needs more funding?

You must however admit labor is far more efficient in education and health than the liberals. And since when has howard kept his promises? - the never ever gst indeed.

 

[lissa2085]

SO cherryblossom you think labor has a good health policy? Its a shortage of doctors and nurses thats the major problem in the health system NOT the fact that its not affordable. Sure, health could be made more affordable, but making it totally unsustainable by proposing it will be free for all people over 75 is ridiculous. We need more doctors! This policy will just mean the system will become flooded by people who are after freebies and the health system will be even worse. As that other guy said, its already cheaper for them. And what about all those people over 75 who have been paying for private health insurance? Many people over 75 are actually quite wealthy - its stupid to make things free on the basis that if they're old they're poor. I'm not denying that some 75 + year olds are poor, but many arent.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well judging by the mismanagement the state labor government has had of school's i'd have to disagree.

 

[paper cup]

SO cherryblossom you think labor has a good health policy? Its a shortage of doctors and nurses thats the major problem in the health system NOT the fact that its not affordable. Sure, health could be made more affordable, but making it totally unsustainable by proposing it will be free for all people over 75 is ridiculous. We need more doctors! This policy will just mean the system will become flooded by people who are after freebies and the health system will be even worse. As that other guy said, its already cheaper for them. And what about all those people over 75 who have been paying for private health insurance? Many people over 75 are actually quite wealthy - its stupid to make things free on the basis that if they're old they're poor. I'm not denying that some 75 + year olds are poor, but many arent.

and which government has been in power since 1996, and done little to rectify the situation.
here we go again.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

can someone, and I have asked this question many many times, tell me why a school like abbotsleigh needs more funding?

They already receive only about 1/5 of the funds a government school receives.

You must however admit labor is far more efficient in education and health than the liberals. And since when has howard kept his promises? - the never ever gst indeed.

Well no I think I just explained that Howard promised the same amount of money without cutting funds. Health is more questionable, but I think the states have a lot to answer for as well.

 

[astro]

Not much of a difference in light of the fact it opens up more uni places for other students.
.

You mean open more places for those rich kids who can get a place because they have the dollars....



It'll also be bye-bye to proper journalism...

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I wonder what cherryblossom cares about more, Private schools losing money OR Public schools gaining money.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

since when has howard kept his promises? - the never ever gst indeed.

Howard said that there would never ever be a GST, yes. But before the election, he announced his policy for a GST, and people knew that this was the policy they were planning to implement.

Besides which, the GST is a good thing.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I actually like Gough Whitlam so you didn't need to state any of that lol
I think he was one of our best prime ministers and IMO had the best image of a statesman australia's ever put forward.