Questions and discussion - Germany: (2 Viewers)

[kelllly]

technically he didn't from what i know, being both president and chancellor would require him to change the constitution which would require 2/3 of the voter to pass... which he eventually coerced the remaining SPD to do.

edit: from what cem says im probably wrong

Ok.

 

[jessjackowski]

There is most certainly a great deal of debate as to whether or not it was a revolution.

The usual definition of a revolution is complete political, social and economic change. It could be argued that there was only political change in Germany as the social structure, except at the very top with the Emperor, doesn't really change and there is no real economic change.

It could be argued that the Nazis undertake a far greater revolution than the Weimar as the Nazis do change the political, social and, to a certain extent, the economic structure of the country although economically not as great as the other two and even then social is more surface deep only as well.

in the exam should we refrain from calling the events of 1918/1919 revolution in Germany then? or use 'revolution'?

 

[jellybelly59]

Just out of curiosity...looking on past papers there hasn't been a specific question on the 'Hitler's role in the Nazi state' dot point......do you think they could pose a specific question such as these (as suggested by my teacher):

They tend to ask questions containing the key features and issues so im guessing it would more likely to be a question regarding nazism in power where then you have to understand that nazism in power contains hitler's role in the state. but that's just me

 

[cem]

in the exam should we refrain from calling the events of 1918/1919 revolution in Germany then? or use 'revolution'?

There would be no problem using the term revolution as it stands.

 

[kelllly]

Just out of curiosity...looking on past papers there hasn't been a specific question on the 'Hitler's role in the Nazi state' dot point......do you think they could pose a specific question such as these (as suggested by my teacher):

"outline the role of hitler in the functioning of the nazi state"

"Outline the importance of hitler to the rise of Nazism to 1934"

Evaluate the importance of Hitler's leadership in the consolidation of the Nazi regime in the years 1933 to 1939. (Catholic, 2005)

 

[jellybelly59]

Evaluate the importance of Hitler's leadership in the consolidation of the Nazi regime in the years 1933 to 1939. (Catholic, 2005)

notice how it's catholic 2005?

 

[kelllly]

They tend to ask questions containing the key features and issues so im guessing it would more likely to be a question regarding nazism in power where then you have to understand that nazism in power contains hitler's role in the state. but that's just me

However, I agree with jellybelly59 that the Key Features and Issues often make up the essay questions.

 

[kelllly]

Just out of curiosity...looking on past papers there hasn't been a specific question on the 'Hitler's role in the Nazi state' dot point......do you think they could pose a specific question such as these (as suggested by my teacher):

"outline the role of hitler in the functioning of the nazi state"

"Outline the importance of hitler to the rise of Nazism to 1934"

Evaluate the importance of Hitler's leadership in the consolidation of the Nazi regime in the years 1933 to 1939. (Catholic, 2005)

They tend to ask questions containing the key features and issues so im guessing it would more likely to be a question regarding nazism in power where then you have to understand that nazism in power contains hitler's role in the state. but that's just me

However, I agree with jellybelly59 that the Key Features and Issues often make up the essay questions.

notice how it's catholic 2005?

Sorry. I just learnt how to multi-quote.

 

[minka-rose]

The Dawes Plan was August 29th 1924.. The textbook says March but majority of other sources say August.

 

[minka-rose]

New question time!

This thread is all about posting questions, so everyone feel free to answer or post new questions. We want to test each others knowledge, keep things fresh.

OK:

1) What were some of the effects of Hyperinflation of the German Mark?



2) Name 5 results of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch 8th of November 1923.

 

[absorber]

1) devalued German Mark, quite simply. Those who did not have equity assets or large holdings of other currencies but who had a large amount of money went broke pretty quickly. Working class and middle class were poorly affected, as you'd expect; life savings were generally destroyed pretty fast, there's a quote somewhere of a guy who withdrew his savings from the bank to buy a post stamp

2)5 results:
-Hitler gets publicity
-Pledges to LEGALLY come to power
-Demonstrates enforceability of Weimar regime
-H. goes to jail, writes 'Mein Kampf' with Hess
-The bias of the judiciary is demonstrated, a militant uprising and hitler gets out in 9 months, if it were the spartacist uprising they'd have all been killed

 

[cem]

The Dawes Plan was August 29th 1924.. The textbook says March but majority of other sources say August.

My understanding for the difference in dates has to do with the announcement of something happening and the actual date of it taking effect. There is usually a lag time between the announcement and the effective date (think about the government annoucing tax cuts in a budget in March but they don't come into effect until the following January)

 

[Domini]

i always thought there was historical debate over whether the 'revolution' in Germany during late 1918/early 1919 was actually a 'revolution' or not....

Perhaps I have been relying on the textbook too much ('Republic to Reich') which classifies the uprisings of 1918-1919 (Kiel Mutiny, establishment of Workers' and Soldiers' councils: calling for Kaiser's abdication, end of war, democracy and freedom of speech) as 'The German Revolution' as it culminates in the end of the monarchy and the establishment of a Republic. It then classifies the Spartacist Uprising of 1919 as 'Counter-Revolution' as it is attempting to overthrow the new Democratic Republic in favour of Communism.

So, this is where I was drawing my information from but perhaps it is a little off the pulse.

******Just realised I didn't read the page where someone answered this already! Sorry, I am a bit of a bos newbie...

 

[Ruby Rose]

thats kinda what i meant. There was mutiny in Kiel because the navy were ordered to fight with the British fleet...sailors refused and were arrested...workers and soldiers protested in kiel....there was a massive strike....then military commanders tell the Kaiser that the army would not fight for him..and then he finally agrees to abdicate?


Hi Jess,
I am not sure if you meant to say the bit in red or not but I thought I should just point out that, from what I remember, they were ordered to attack the superior British fleet If it was just a grammatical mistake, sorry to be pedantic

 

[jellybelly59]

To what extent was Germany a Totalitarian state between 1918-33 considering comparisons between Stalin's and Mussolini's state controls?

 

[cem]

To what extent was Germany a Totalitarian state between 1918-33 considering comparisons between Stalin's and Mussolini's state controls?

Just a note that the syllabus doesn't require any form of comparison and so learning it as a comparison would simply be a waste of time.

 

[jellybelly59]

Just a note that the syllabus doesn't require any form of comparison and so learning it as a comparison would simply be a waste of time.

sorry but i'm confused... i know you don't have to compare but there's no hardline basis for what are the criteria for what a totalitarian state is... Even in the republic to reich textbook it says totalitarianism doesn't really have a strict criterion in which you can label a state to be totalitarian... (sorry i know im saying the word a lot)... so if you don't compare it to a state that has a similar system then how would you know to what extent?

 

[cem]

sorry but i'm confused... i know you don't have to compare but there's no hardline basis for what are the criteria for what a totalitarian state is... Even in the republic to reich textbook it says totalitarianism doesn't really have a strict criterion in which you can label a state to be totalitarian... (sorry i know im saying the word a lot)... so if you don't compare it to a state that has a similar system then how would you know to what extent?

You start with a standard definition and then discuss the various elements within Germany and make a judgement about them.

Your definition sets it up.

If you spend time comparing you are wasting time as the markers won't give you full credit. I am not saying don't mention the others but don't answer a Germany question with extensive reference to other systems but really stick to a general definition of totalitarianism.

Depending on how narrow or broad you make your definition (within the accepted terminology) you will be able to answer any question based solely on Germany e.g. you can argue that it wasn't very totalitarian as so much of the old system remained in place with the Nazi system over the top, or argue that due to the nature of things like control of the media and education and the work laws it was very totalitarian using a definition that it is the degree of control that a state has.

 

[roar84eighty]

Just a note that the syllabus doesn't require any form of comparison and so learning it as a comparison would simply be a waste of time.

I agree, but simple reading surely can do no harm right? Would looking at other topics (at least the Germany and Russia comparison) help in more than foreign policy?

I know you are a marker and I would appreciate your advice.

Also, do the markers get defensive like 'hey mate you can hardly even show an understanding of your topic let alone talk about the rise of Nazism in Germany as a result of the Bolsheviks diminished support of the German Communist Party/the ex-Spartacists!'

Also, does this happen in areas other than foreign policy (i know this was a cheap example lol) such as in the case of totalitarianism: perhaps the passing comment in regards to totalitarianism involving control of the population through fear + coercion through secret police type agencies and through propaganda campaigns?

E.g. linking Stalin's personality cult, photo doctoring and socialist realism to Nazi propaganda under Riefenstahl and the Hitler personality cult of sorts?

EDIT: how do we address the orthodoxies/trends/"elements" of totalitarianism without breaking the SACRED ESSAY STRUCTURE and CONVENTIONAL INTRODUCTION????

 

[jellybelly59]

oh and can someone please explain to me what the stresa front was - didn't really understand whilst looking through some foreign policy on nazi germany. googling didn't really help either.