Alvin Yeap
I AM alvin dammit!
pc_wizz said:born to christianity ...
pcwizz
ever bother to question it?
pc_wizz said:born to christianity ...
pcwizz
I have very mixed opinions on Hillsongs. On one level, i think its really good that they get lots of people coming to their church. I think its awesome that people can get so many others to come and it would be cool if that happened in all churches.Asquithian said:anyways off on another tangent...does anyone feel that Hillsong verges on the disturbing? Everytime I see it i feel disgusted and sorry for the people who attend.
Its values hardly capture what i see as the positives of the church.
I often find myself paying out on bapticostals, which is not a good thing. I think its because we are more likely to pay out on what we dont understand. Personally, i dont think you need to do the arms raised and shaking busines... but some people think you do which is fine for them.Generator said:The Sunday morning broadcast... Such singing seems far too intense (arms raised, eyes closed, standing still but shaking at the same time) for it to be healthy.
Questioning = good.Alvin Yeap said:ever bother to question it?
Wilmo said:Questioning = good.
You cant be "born" into a religion because its a personal decision you make. Just because your parents are saved doesnt mean you're saved by default.
So if you question it, you will either come up with a reason of your own for believing it (not just "my parents do so i do") which would be awesome, or you will realise that you dont believe it and you'll have to work stuff out for yourself from there.
As much as I wouldnt like you to not be a christian, the two options above are much better than what you have now. Its better for you to be burning for it or cold to it then just sitting there luke-warm. You'll be vomited out if you stay like that!
Its your decision where to go from here. You can make up your own mind about what you believe about this God stuff, or you can stay how you are and not be guarenteed of anything but being vomited out for not being hot or cold.
It seems odd to me that you can believe something that is based on assumptions and faith - then loose control over it.Wilmo said:I often find myself paying out on bapticostals, which is not a good thing. I think its because we are more likely to pay out on what we dont understand. Personally, i dont think you need to do the arms raised and shaking busines... but some people think you do which is fine for them.
There is no secret formula for getting intouch with the spirit. You dont need to raise your arms or shake your body. You can worship or pray anyway you want and you can have an equal oportunity of being struck with a feeling. Its like driving a car. Some people will drive slow, some will drive fast, but all are actually driving.
More conservitave churches (anglicans and the like) prefer the slow driving. They dont lift their hands usually, but they still have the same spirit the other christians do so theres no reason why what they do will stop them from feeling the spirit. More charismatic churches (baptists, pentecostal etc.) choose to drive fast. They lift their hands they speak in tounges and they tend to talk about feeling the spirit more. What they do doesnt make a difference, its just theyre more recognised for it.
While im here, ill throw in the main problem i have with charismatic churches. Its not a big one really, but its something I believe in very strongly. If you go to a charismatic church, you'll often find them calling down the spirit. I personally find that stupid. Can you imagine walking into a room of your friends then having them all start saying "Come *your name*" for a while, then they only stop when you say that you are there? Thats what its like with the holy spirit. Hes already there, you dont need to call him down!
You can question why you have faith in it. Do you really believe in it? Or were you just going with the crowd?Alvin Yeap said:how are you meant to question something when you have faith in, it would be impossible to question something that you have faith in at any level of seriousness.
Im pretty stupid, so I dont get the losing control bit. Please explainAlvin Yeap said:It seems odd to me that you can believe something that is based on assumptions and faith - then loose control over it.
If i fail a test its because I didnt studySlide Rule said:"Oh no! I failed this test! It was obviously God's will! God probably wants me to be dumb because of all the sins I have commited - such as not walking into a gothic-looking structure full of weed-smoke every Sunday."
Those people get on my nerves.
The answer is yes and no. Theres a really long answer which im too lazy to go into. The short answer is catholics are christians. The word catholic means universal and was the word given to name the early christians. The split happened in about the mid 1500's.porge said:difference between christianity and catholic?
are they like different sectors, branches, interepretations?
Noone here is debating it... but its surprising that a lot of people out there doubt he was even a real person.Asquithian said:I dont think anyone is debating the existance of jesus. Mr Ceasar didnt do unbelievable things. Jesus did.
The fact jesus existed gives you no reason to become deeply devine?!?!?1
id love to.Wilmo said:And also could you tell me a bit about what you believe as a Jew? I dont know much about it so I think it would be really interesting
Although it is a secondary source, you cant really base it on what one or two people have seen. You'd have to find a lot of people who witnessed the event for it to hold any credibility. I reckon if 500 people saw someone who was dead walking around you'd have to agree it was something very important to that group of people.Asquithian said:The question is whether you have the faith to believe in the miricles described which would seem unbelieveble to certian people...even if they are writtem about (still would be secondary sources)
No worries... im glad it was of some helpporge said:and thanx for the answer
I'm a "convert" from Catholicism to atheism. I know what I am talking about when I speak of Christians, and acknowledge that there are many different types with varying degrees of devoutness and for some, stupidity (as with all people).Wilmo said:P.S. The church isnt the building its the people, so we would have to be walking round stoned all the time
Yep!! All south african jews.......And they all go to masada, with exceptions. My neighbour went to some eastie Jewish School. The school bus would come and pick her up. I think it was in Dover Heights???porge said:hahahaha
yeah that'll happen in the north.
i bet they are all south africans aswell?
and they all go to masada?
ask away, gimme a topic and ill start talking
what about the social problems/issues addressed by religion?Asquithian said:...anyways does anyone feel like adressing the social problems created by religion.
post any questions in the SOR forum...many helpful ppl in there!!!porge said:hey wilmo, i really wanted to talk to u bout judaism, but i couldnt pm u cos ur all pmless..
so i just wanted to let you know that im open to talk to you bout anything u please