Originally posted by Asquithian
He cannot judge he is partial towars his owen parents.
Plus i dont know what his stadards of 'hard work' are. Yes i recognise teachers may have to do 5 hours or so of work after school...thats alot of work but (IMO) other professions do just as much or more work and at a higher level.
For me what hard work is has definately changed since i left school...
I can't judge because I've actually seen the work they put in? Whereas you, who has no experience in this field whatsoever are not partial and therefore can judge?
And okay, this nurse argument keeps coming up and no one seems to take notice of the refute that keeps coming up against it... and especially you Katie as you seemed to have a lot to say about it, and didn't think 'teachers have a leg to stand on'...
We're NOT saying that teachers do the most work in comparison to other professions.. We are NOT saying that other professions also don't deserve a payrise..
YES there ARE other proffessions stuck in the same position where they feel undervalued (and often are).. and YES they also deserve more pay.
Your hypothetical about Johnny was a bit harsh... Your comments about his UAI and the fact he did standard english seem to suggest that you feel those who don't do all the top subjects and don't ace them shouldn't get paid well.... do we base our rate of pay on intellect do we?... Sure Johnny wasn't ace at English, and sure when he was 18 he got a UAI of 69.. Does that mean he deserves to be paid shit for the work he does. You didn't mention that Johnny works hell hard and is passionate about his job. He puts up with a lot of shit and puts in a hell of a lot of effort.
You presented what the teachers claim make them want their payrise but didn't really present any specific argument as to why they're wrong... except for "Holy hell this made me laugh"
Well Holy Hell good for you.
Originally posted by Ziff
And many students do 3-4hrs+ of homework per night
Come on, it's high-school standard, even I can do that!
Mate then why can't we equally say that the hours that lawyers put in after work is high school standard?
So because it's the same amount of time as a student works then this means it's the same amount of effort?
And even if it is... students work bloody hard... so do teachers...
And Katie I don't think you can really assess the value of someone in a community...
Originally posted by Ziff
Nurses generally don't go on strike because they have a CONSCIENCE unlike some other professionals...
That's absolute crap. Their conscience is irrelevant.. They see an injustice is occurring and the only way to fix an injustice is to do something about it.
Nurses don't go on strike because they are UNABLE to... It doesn't mean they have more of a conscience than teachers....
That's such a generalisation and weak point.
Originally posted by katie_tully
There aren't enough nurses, they're under staffed. They could go on strike, but I think you'll find they're too compassionate to do so. Alot of nurses I know also enjoy their job, and while they would like more money, they're too professional and too committed to do so.
Striking for such a small amount of days doesn't mean you don't love your job or that you're not compassionate or that you're not professional. It means that you feel doing your job is worth more than you're currently valued.
Hypothetically, when the Aboriginals marched for Reconciliation... it's not like we stand up and say to them, "No sorry guys piss off... You don't deserve reconciliation because look at the people of Bougainville who only just finished their civil war... Their problem is bigger and you don't see them marching... So guys just go away until your problem is bigger than anyone elses'
That would be crap and wrong.
It's the same with this.
Yeah it's unfair nurses don't get paid more... But it doesn't mean teachers don't have the right to request a payrise.
And I think you'll notice that the latest strike movement was for more than just the payrise. An independant tribunal last year ruled in favour of the teachers, allocating them the pay rise they were after. The case was closed. Suddenly Bob Carr and his government come back this year and say 'No, no wait. We don't like that decision, we want you to open up the case again so we can re-present our argument.'
The government interfering in a case already decided and closed. The strikes were to say that they don't have the right to do that.