re: The Official F1 Thread
Tuna said:
Everyone wants to ban Traction Control. It will be interesting to watch....Sure, if they are good then it will look like the old days. If they not then they'll crash. So, you could mention a few words about ECUs etc. They need Traction Control and the argument ends here. If their cars crash all the way through the season then you tell me....
If the car crashes it's either poor design-handling, or driver error. and 98% is driver error. And no they won't crash as easy as you think. If someone is so wimpy, they can go back to GP2 or DTM or something. Banning TC will change the design of the cars, and obviously remove TC, not just the latter. IE, wieght distribution is a crucial factor when playing with and without TC.
You don't want to see full opp lock on corner exit? You don't want to see closer racing? You don't want the racing to be so repetitive?
Ohdata said:
but even know they have issues
with too much oversteer. Would be a struggle for
some.
Again the design of the car is crucial. Bringing more weight to the rear and effective weight distribution coupled with a stable chassis will effectively eliminating the oversteer.
The 2000/2001/2002 ferraris had great aero and Adrian Newey admitted the F2002 had probably the best chassis. I also beleive the F399 was great, just slower than the MP4-14 on the straight.
CAPE said:
And microsoft has been announced as the official ECU supplier.
What about a limitation on the amount of traction control they use? Is that possible?
Funny you mention that, some F1 freaks on MSN list had the display name along the lines of "Microsoft in F1 is a disaster"
There was something funny i found GM VS Microsoft, i think it's from this forum... forgot. Anyway I"ll paste it here:
Computer vs Car
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon".
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors reportedly issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and! reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.
5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only ninety-five percent of the roads.
6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.
7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
Cape, checking the % of TC would be difficult. You would have to supply controlled telementary software to teams, and probably a controlled chip in the engine to detect it. So i think it's either TC allowed, or no TC+ Controlled ECU.
Ohdata look for Senna and Piquet Hungry, also Senna qualifying for Suzuka. I love Suzuka, and onboards are just as nice to watch. Senna on slicks+wet was amazing, such as Donington, where he passed 5 cars in 1 lap. But generally his just a freak in the wet, as much as Schumacher.
Ohdata said:
Lets give them too much HP, no driving aids, LIMITED aero and slick tyres....FTW
I agree, we need:
-V10 engines back, more torque too. (also, these V8s will probably reach 25000rpm and up to 900hp in like 5-6 years)
-No TC, but inclue a CONTROLLED ECU.
-Slightly lower aero than now (the 2006 aero spec is actually not bad) Sure, loss of downforce is a problem. But that can be overcome with better tracks. And you"ll see further down this list the cure.
-FIA proposition for 2008 style wing(the hole - dual wing thing) CANCELLED (this idea is just stupid, and doesn't encourage passing into turn 1 or on/during/after a straight)
-GET RID OF TILKE the idiot. His stuffed up Hockenheim, China, Hungry, Bahrain(nice to drive on, hard to pass, unless you have a significant straight line speed advantage). 14 turn tracks idea is stupid. Bring back some older tracks with more passing places, wider tracks, more slipstream passing opportunities, like spa (flat in eua rouge, slip stream into next chicane, slight slip into la source, slip into bus stop, and the newer bus stop is much much better.
-Make Monza first chicane wider, not so tight - good slip opportunity OR remove the second chicane completely. Who knows, you might avoid 2000 monza style race
Ohdata said:
RPM had a good article on the racing wheel for Honda and all the buttons and tricks. Pretty simple looking and operated but does so much.
Looks simple and easy to operate, but operate it while racing, and focusing on the corner. ANd without TC or other driver aids such as ABS, stability, active suspension you have to think much more than just brake point and turn in. WHen to brake, how much pressure, your brake bias as fuel is burned, turn in, solve slides, mid corner correction and speed input, exiting corner, how much throttle to apply, apply opp lock if your oversteering. It sounds easy but only comes with one thing - practice and skill. And in a car heavier and more poweful than a simple kart, it's alot harder. I've spun heaps of times in kart, but it's all comes to you and lets you set that almost perfect lap.
Cape said:
YES!! Best news all week!! One idiot gone, another 2 or 3 still left. Atleast nascar won't be too challenging for him. Left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left, left .... smash!
BMW has also recruited Macca's engine designer. Two things from this:
- Macca will have nobody except nando at the end of the year
- BMW's are going to go kaboom every weekend.
Ferrari have an extra 20hp for their engine for France, new aero and bridgestone have "super" soft tyres for France.
Oh, did anyone see Schumi and Corinna at the Germany vs Portugal game
The guy has good knowledge of how to design light engines. 98 and 99 mclaren success was largely due to the lightness of the engine (made from berrylium in that time - later on banned). But it will still be useful. The 2000, 2001 mclaren was just as competitive - only schumacher was too good/sly (your opinion here) and mclaren made mistakes (wing setup etc).
I thougt it was going to be Renault territory in France. But I hope the Ferrari can put up a good fight. This news just lifts my expectation higher. Should be great. Shame i have to go to school the next day after supposedly a great race. Great fun driving in France on an F1 simulator, while trying not to go wide in the fast chicanes and estoril, locking up(after the uphill chicane esp and the hairpin). Very absorbing track, quite difficult to pass on though. Only opportunity is the:
-Infamous hairpin(adelaide?) where Hakkinen overtook numerous cars in a wet race. He also stuffed it (no TC, turned himself around) one time, but still caught up and came first. The car was amazing in the wet that day.
-After the first chicane, the track is quite wide, good opportunity into the left hander, but people usually go wide there.
-The two turns before the final chicane arn't bad either, have a small slip.
