Uni Students - VSU vs. USU ? (3 Viewers)

[ujuphleg]

Vote away...

 

[Xayma]

May I suggest that before voting, people read BOTH sides of all arugments, not just what you hear in uni. But try the Liberals arguments for it and the opposing sides.

 

[withoutaface]

Too many people just listen to what they hear at the uni, which is completely USU, so yeah, what Xayma said.

 

[Generator]

It should be a public poll... Asquithian has to know who to lynch, after all .

USU, here.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

as if asquithian even cares about the union, he just knows that Liberals hate it.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Asquithian isn't so bad.

 

[my sharona]

There are aspects of USU I don't agree with.
But if its voluntary, no-one would pay for it.
And then there'd be absolutely nothing in the Uni.
Forget entertainment, forget services, forget subsidy, forget having a voice about anything.

Lets say VSU comes into effect tomorrow. Then Johnny Howard decides he's going to abolish HECS altogether. (Hey, its very real in my mind)

It's almost like insurance. If I fail a subject, I have some chance for appealing. If I decide i'm a lesbian, something will be there for me. You might think you dont need it, but that's probably because nothing majorly bad has happened yet.

 

[withoutaface]

There are aspects of USU I don't agree with.
But if its voluntary, no-one would pay for it.
And then there'd be absolutely nothing in the Uni.
Forget entertainment, forget services, forget subsidy, forget having a voice about anything.

Lets say VSU comes into effect tomorrow. Then Johnny Howard decides he's going to abolish HECS altogether. (Hey, its very real in my mind)

It's almost like insurance. If I fail a subject, I have some chance for appealing. If I decide i'm a lesbian, something will be there for me. You might think you dont need it, but that's probably because nothing majorly bad has happened yet.

I for one would be paying for services that I use, and if enough people oppose VSU then they should be paying union fees regardless of whether it's compulsory or not, and the union will survive, unless of course they're a bunch of flaming hypocrites.

 

[my sharona]

I for one would be paying for services that I use, and if enough people oppose VSU then they should be paying union fees regardless of whether it's compulsory or not, and the union will survive, unless of course they're a bunch of flaming hypocrites.

But then it'll just be like all those voluntary library/building/anxillary trusts your high schools try to make you pay. You just sort of go... 'oh well... i'm sure someone else is paying for it'

... and as fewer people pay, the union will get worse and worse... giving people an excuse not to pay...

and poof, there goes the end of your $1 discount off your vodka and coke.

 

[withoutaface]

Meh, if the subsidised alcohol has to go it doesn't affect me to the tune of $590 each year, so it's kind of irrelevant.

 

[Phanatical]

There are good arguments for each side of the argument. I can't think of any particular resources in favour of USU at the moment (though I know they exist), but www.vsyou.org talks about the arguments in favour of VSU.

Personally, I support Universal Student Unionism, but in my case I support a separate student organisation for my campus, independent of the USYD Union and the USYD SRC.

 

[Estel]

and poof, there goes the end of your $1 discount off your vodka and coke.

I'd be quite concerned if you drank 590 coke's a year.

 

[my sharona]

When the government puts up your HECS fees, or introduces some crummy tax to your Uni, your union wont be there, or it will be an underfunded crummy piece of crap...

...and that's irrelevant??

 

[withoutaface]

If the Usyd Union is so worried about students paying HECS fees why do they charge the highest union fees of any union in NSW (and probably Australia), which have a more direct effect upon students than higher HECS anyway?

 

[Xayma]

You seem to assume that others who want to use the services you like will CHOOSE to pay. Even though they know that they can get the benefit by relying on your payment (ie scabbing)

It's either all or nothing. People wont pay when others won't. They will feel less like paying when they see those who do no pay take advantage of the subsidy.

For the subsidy part at least it wouldnt happen. It is only on the union card being scanned is it reduced in price, although it is still relatively cheap (still cheaper outside) it is still making a profit without the subsidy.

 

[Riewe]

I'm for USU, as they provide many a needy facilities around Uni, such as free entertainment, subsidised stuff etc. When the Union doesn't get funding, then those who were the first not to pay will be the first to complain because the Union cannot supply the facilities that they enjoyed for so long.

But compulsory SA fees is another thing. This is the political part which i think most people have the most problem with. They are separated from the Union, but it seems that most people think they are the one and the same. Being made to pay money to them is like being forced to fund the Liberal society or the Labor society even though you don't like either one at all.

USU = Good; Compulsory SA = Bad

 

[Xayma]

How is free entertainment or subsidised stuff a need?

Subsidised childcare possibly, along with free legal advice and help with academic issues, but not those two.

 

[samuelblayden]

yea I don't know what they are but I vote

 

[Phanatical]

The only thing that will survive VSU is the politics. The services will die, the clubs and societies will be forced to become financially independent, but the politics and the politicians will just have more to complain about.

Remember, our "elected representatives" have always believed first and foremost that their number one priority should be to campaign the government to do something in relation to student issues. They're wrong, but that's their priority, and that's the only thing they'll be able to afford without the funding provided by students like us. They won't keep the services, they won't keep any of the stuff students actually find useful - they'll only keep the politics.

 

[Rorix]

Some of you USU supporters are essentially arguing that for it to be fair, the amount of money spent per person on interests must differ based on your preferences.

So, spending $348 on what student A cares about but only $123 on what student B cares about is necessary in the interests of fairness.